Shay, thats is incorrect. You idiotically fell in the trap despite my warnings, and demanded we jump down to help. We obliged and jumped down to save you.

After they started blocking us in and bow spamming, I was able to get free from a trapped spot, which used to get xp for mending for you, galaxy and myself. I returned and mended your armour and pushed Heart back off you long enough for you to tp out of the trap spot you were in.

instead of returning like I did, you left and never returned. Galaxy was killed in the trap, i jumped on his gear to get as much as I could before I tp’d away. I was the last one to leave, you were the first despite the mess being entirely your own fault.

Cysteen can testify to my return because she tp’d to me halfway back to lend me stacks of xp.

Yeh if we were so much of a waste of time and resources just be on your way. And now you made a server shock.

Just thought this would be kind of fitting. But I found a video of the last time a pirate crew or some non empire crew declared war on An empire and the way they reacted

does that explain all the negative feedback on the war declaration?

also not gonna lie. That would have probably been me about a year ago if I heard this happened

After reading Allidoisdig1234’s “reasons” for declaring war, I feel the need to point out that they’re all absolutely ridiculous. Sorry if I formulate this too harsh, man. ._.

Q: your recruitment system is ridiculous. How do you know you haven’t recruited a spy into your crew
A: You can bet your boots every big crew on the server has spies in it. There’s no 100% “safe” way to screen recruits and our crew has nothing to hide. Our forums are visible to all as well. Why is this even a reason that dignifies war?

Q: your crew is apparently active? Overall you have the largest total time of inactive members on the server. Some people were about To quit when I left the server in 2014 that joined YOUR CREW before leaving. And you still keep them for what reason? Which leads me to my next point
A: Yes, because we have had hundreds of members in our crew who are no longer around. But it’s not true that we keep everyone. We have to cull the ranks regularly. And because of the new crew member cap, we have to kick someone every time a new recruit joins. Again, this doesn’t sound like a reason to declare war. It sounds more like the size of our crew annoys you?

Q: you are afraid to kick your own crew members. Some of your crew members which I will refrain from mentioning you refuse to kick even though they are weighing you down, but you won’t kick them because they might attack you for it. What kind of loyal crew member would make you worry about that?
A: Incorrect. We have kicked loads of members in the past. If there’s general consensus that someone must go, they’ll go. We’re also not going to let outsiders dictate who belongs in our crew or not, if that’s what you’re trying to achieve?

Q: why are you so much against war? The only true pirate crews on this server have been the ones that dominate the “empires”. You know what this proves in my opinion? That the crew members in the empires are weak. CoV went to war with elves and won in LESS THAN A DAY. This brings me back to my point on recruiting good crew members. Not tons of bad ones.
A: So your casus belli for declaring war is that we as a crew don’t go around declaring wars and attacking random people? Also, you might remember that CoV unexpectedly fell within a week after pretty much the whole server declared war against them. Wars usually go on forever, however, and don’t really achieve much apart from generating drama.

Q: There are too many alliances on the server. We decided to go to war because there is too much allying and “holding hands” as some people would put it. It’s only a matter of time before someone knocks over the house of cards. An alliance is only as good as the benefits both sides receive. If both sides receive nothing, an alliance is pointless. Which is partially why we broke the one with you. We can’t count on help from your crew members. As browe said. Shay RAN leaving one of our crew members to die after almost NO risk of losing.
A: I can’t comment on what Shay did because I’m not informed, but I do know we’ve fought alongside you many times. If you’re pinning the blame for losing trust in us on one player, I would argue that it’s not him who lies at fault, but yourself for not looking at the bigger picture nor seeking direct dialogue. As for the house of cards analogy, ever since western nations have come to work together IRL, our quality of life has increased and we have not suffered any more devastating world wars. I would not want us to break off our allegiances IRL, and because I find this a good, sensible way of thinking, I do not want us to break off allegiances in PC either.

If I were in Templar, I would consider about stopping this drama and instead organising a tournament or something like someone else mentioned. C’mon, there are OLYPMICS going on IRL atm! Why not do that? 😛

Wow, paul beat me to the post with that excellent reply.

@chailey this isn’t a stab at you, but just making a point here. I’m not going to bother contesting this decision, but I think the community needs to know the following.

Most of the reasons listed by Templar are rubbish. Alli, for example, thinks a just reason for war is because of the way we recruit people, and because we have a large member count. Browe thinks that a large god battle is fun, and so as we are one of the few crews with many members, and much god, that we should be at war. But most importantly, they all think that a good reason for declaring war is because it will be fun.

Now, all I can ask is this. If a reason for declaring war was because it was something fun that you wanted to do, did you really do everything to avoid it?

and alli, about our recruitment ways, i honestly dont understand why it bothers you…

1. we arent poaching your members

2. we ask noobs if they want to join us, its their decision and we arent forcing them in the slightest

3. you arent in our crew.

as i told u in PMs, if you arent affected by this at all, then please do ignore it if it annoys you.

Hold up…

As far as I’m concerned, I’m here looking at a post for war because one member (Shay) refused to help an ally (Browe and Galaxy) after they saved him from dying. If this was indirectly caused, maybe (Templars) ask the BE to maybe get some payment after saving Shay and indirectly causing Galaxy to die? Because honestly, war sucks, people die, items are at loss, get what I mean? I just don’t wanna see anyone hurt because both sides contain lots of good friends of mine