Okta, have you ever actually done pvp? (Apart from shooting people from inside your box)

Joe, it is alright to feel annoyed about Okta’s idea as it would directly effect you.

However, it is more often the pvppers who are moaning about how half the server will not pvp them and will hide from them, though this may not entirely change, what is being suggested here is something which people who would usually do that is saying is stopping them from coming out.

I note in my comment that those who are often top of the pvp tree, have great skills in pvp, and those who are often hiding, feel like they don’t have a chance due to have poor gear (usually), and if not, it is due to the fact they have knowledge that their skills usually cannot match those of the pvppers.

We’re not saying pvppers are the cause, but rather the existence of these over powered pieces of gear, which people take ages to craft. Which those who do this enduring task, do rightly deserve a weapon of that calibre but it is those players on the server who do not play to pvp like other people do.

This doesn’t mean we should remove pvp or get rid of it either, but rather encourage it by lowering the line perhaps, so people who don’t have that overly enchanted gear have a fighting chance against other players.

I think this is why we should instead encourage skill rather than what gear we have.

It does however, as I can see, make events like the Christmas events or Halloween events seem pointless, as people go to get the enchanted gear. We could however keep that, as that would mean again people have gotten this gear via skill and perservarance, and they’d have greater worth and rarity.

i don’t know, just some more ideas as I argue that point. I know I’d certainly be more encouraged to fight if I knew those who I’d go against may have similar gear to me.

Nnon of my answers to the quotes here are not in bad taste, people have just seen the slight flaws in my post and I’m just trying to iron them out or explain what I mean. Also responses to other people’s points.)

Kitsune wrote:

1. Godsy’s not gonna get rid of diamond gear.

I know he wouldn’t and by saying overpowered, and especially when I talked about weapons and armour which are what I would call OP, are those of enchant levels like protection (which I also include fire and projectile, if you can call them over-powerd), sharpness, sweeping edge, knockback, punch, flame, fire aspect and power which (once at a high enough level or at their base level) can make pvp for a lower skilled player and/or a player who does not devote time to getting high level enchants, almost impossible to fight.

Enchants which I would list would be fine are those which are merely for practical purpose (armour and weapon wise), rather than for pvp, such as blast protection, frost walker, feather falling, unbreaking, efficiency, aqua affinity, infinity, respiration, thorns, mending and depth strider as enchants which do little to influence pvp to a great extent.

Rather instead of removing said, pvp focused enchants entirely, as it would annoy half the community, instead keep basic, easy to obtain level of that enchant, such as level 1 or level 2, and levels of achievable enchants could vary depending on their effects and powers, or some just removed entirely.

We could however (perhaps, I don’t know much about enchant values :P) have more powerful enchants for lower level gear like leather and parts of gold and chain armour, and wooden and gold weapons, encouraging their use more.

I also state that some potions could also be removed also, again not those which are practical such as water breathing and jump (can’t be asked to list them again, this is getting too long already,) but potions which are hard to get like strength or invisibility could be removed or debuffed so you can only get the basics.

We could also instead see the removal of ‘over-powered’ consumables and potions like this, and implement them more into the brewery plugin, which would encourage more of that to be used, people would also have to think twice before perhaps downing a bottle of invisibility causing vodka (don’t hate xD), thinking whether the random movements or obscured vision and consequences of it outweigh those of the effect.

Kitsune wrote:

2. No shame in hiding, no shame in running around killing everyone. Some people just want to be left alone and mess with redstone.

True, just it would encourage those who usually hide, to perhaps fight if they know they may have more of a chance if their sieger is a pvpper whom is trying to show how much more skill their crew has by using lower level armour and weapons. This is also why I’ve included the point which could also encourage all players to use lower power gear to kill others to get better ‘statistics’ or bonuses for themselves or crew (exp boosters, chance to get rare items e.g. blaze rods, emerald, spawn egg, claim blocks), which then could be trade in amongst the community, again (perhaps) helping to remove more money from the economy.

Monks wrote:

Why would the server lose regular players? most of them would like a change like this

Partly true. I’m not hating on pvppers, but if I was a pvpper or an enchanter, who has spent hours making gear or potions of high quality, to suddenly see them debuffed or removed would be outraged. It is a sensitive subject, I personally don’t mind how the server is currently, it is annoying to die now and then but I’m not losing my mind over it, I’m only offering solutions which could work and not annoy too many.

(I could not find any points to query or discuss in Cysteen’s post. They’re correct that it is a hard balance. I would note though that the ‘pvpper problem’ is actually only like a quarter of the server.)

Oktacraft wrote:

particularly a way to encourage group fighting over ships/castles

Agree, why I said if people feel like they have more of a chance of winning, they’ll want to fight.

Oktacraft wrote:

produce the gear, but not enough for me to risk losing it too easily because its still very expensive in man hours

Reason why I think people COULD respond badly to the change, but this is why also I think perhaps lowering the enchantment level so more people can get gear which is on the whole the same, better. I know I wouldn’t mind losing gear that I could make in a couple of hours (or days because I’m slow), and on the whole, using more low level gear could make people also use low level gear in perhaps fights between each other in areas of ‘low importance’, saving more costly gear for battles which matter.

On the whole, everyone would love to see more of these battles, and love to watch them, however these long battles are either seen between smaller crews using not as powerful armour and consumables, and the dedicated pvp players on the server, whom race around after each other.

They’re all great, but nothing like the battles people envision, such as proper sieges etc.

we could have a system where 2 groups of people warp to like an arena. who ever wins gets money?

The reason fights are so rare is because everyone sits in boxes. No matter what the pvp is people will still sit in boxes, and if they get sieged wait until the attacker leaves. I doubt ANY change to the pvp would change this, it’s people’s attitudes. A change in siege mechanics (return of firework cannons, more siegable blocks) might help, but regardless I’m sure people will just make obsidian boxes, or whatever they can to avoid dying.

Oh my God, the amount of stuff I could (and will) say! Just need to gather my thoughts and plan my post first, but watch this space!