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  • #57718
    Xeron
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    As you may have seen, Mystic’s ban appeal that contained some sensitive information has been closed. This is not because his appeal was denied, its due to the drama it caused. I did not want to have to make this post, but fuck it.

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    Firstly

    After some of you read Mystic’s ban appeal, you left a few opinionated comments, which is fine in of itself. However, some of you decided to take it further, and start messaging Hydra members about this, accusing them of who knows what, and sending them very rude comments.

    • DON’T message Hydra members about this, on the forums/discord/irl
    • DON’T harass them in-game about this topic
    • DON’T feel the need to avenge Mystic or anyone for this matter – this was their business, not yours.

    If I get anymore reports from players messaging hydra members hurtful and threatening messages, it will be treated as bullying and you will be punished. Be the bigger man, or woman – we’re not sexist here.

     

    Secondly

    Mystic had the right to include any relevant information within his ban appeal, and told the story from HIS POINT OF VIEW. That being said, the majority of you have only heard the story from HIS perspective, and have not given Hydra any sort of room to explain, or even tell you their side of things. For fucks sake if we only taught history from Hitler’s point of view, half the world would be fascist (extreme example, but valid). Words are easily twisted into people’s favours, staff see it all the time when we get ban appeals – person A says this, person B says this, and the rest of the community start assuming nonsense and voila DRAMA. Information is so easily manipulated.

    DON’T just believe one person’s story.

    I’m not saying Mystic’s account was wrong, I’m not saying it was right. Staff don’t assume, we search for proof – and as long as we don’t have proof, we won’t do anything – something for you to consider next time you comment on the forums

     

    Thirdly

    This may have not been made obvious in Mystic’s post, but this situation happened months ago – December/January. And guess what, staff knew and sorted it out back then. Staff have had a word with Hydra about it, they know it was wrong, and they will not repeat this. I’m sure they regret their actions, no matter how ‘funny’ or ‘edgy’ they found it to be originally. I’m sure a bunch of you reading this have done something fucked up in your lives, and I’m sure you wouldn’t want people going on and on about it.

    Shit happens, it happened a long time ago, staff handled the matter back in January – don’t give Hydra shit like ‘you should be banned for that’, staff will mute you.

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    We all want a fun server to be on. Its our jobs as staff to manage this, and if that means we need to interfere with drama, so be it. There are many things that happen in the background, that you lot don’t know about. Mostly drama that was dumb, and we told players to just keep it to themselves and go different ways. We are treating this the same way.

    1. When players make ban appeals, they may include any relevant information
    2. Players may comment and voice their opinion on the person who made the appeal
    3. Posts that cause excessive drama, are inappropriate, or go off-topic will be closed

    I’m not here to defend Hydra members, or Mystic.
    As with most of these situations, it may just be best to shake hands and call it a day @dpex81 @mystictitan 

    For the time being, staff will be considering MysticTitan’s ban appeal independent of this drama. I’m sure it wasn’t his intention for this to kick off, but yes he should have seen it coming. Please cut everyone some slack, call it a day, and go hunt some pirates!

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    #57722
    MysticTitan
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    Alright this is my message to anyone that wants to go and harass hydra for this.  This is not what I intended.  I wanted to explain the reasoning and why I was banned.  Please do NOT go after anyone or anything I mentioned in there.  Hydra knows what they did was wrong, and they have already been yelled at by staff members in the past.  So please for the love of god, stop starting drama, you are making the situation 10,000 times worse doing so.  Just calm down and forget about the situation.  Please… I don’t want to start conflicts between players that have known and played with eachother for years.  We are a family.  Do not let this pointless drama tear us apart.  And like Max said, nothing can be done without proof anyway, as of now I looked through and have found no screenshots or videos of the incident.  So please do not treat them differently because of this.  It is not their fault I was banned, It is entirely mine.

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by MysticTitan.

    Time to paint the Path of Glory in the Blood of those who are not worthy.

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    #57743
    GodsDead
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    I really, really do not like getting involved in Drama as it always ends badly for me, but here is my reply for Mystics unban appeal based entirely on facts and his actions:

    https://piratemc.com/topic/mystics-un-ban-appeal-and-apology/#post-57742

     

    EDIT: (The reply as no one can see the deleted thread)
    Punishment tracker.

    https://bans.piratemc.com/index.php?action=viewplayer&player=Mystic_Titan965&server=0

    Glitching is against the rules, and we were never sent a clear video of how you did it, even though it was recorded.

    Since this information was kept secret, We have to assume the worse that you are using a hacked client.

    Lets look at your existing record:

    • Warnings:
      • Advertising
      • Racist comments
      • Door glitching (Already warned for)
      • A second warning for Racist comments.
    • Previous Bans:
      • You abused a commandblock to steal infinite items.
      • Using Alts & VPN to bypass your IP ban.
    • My pet peeves;
      • You change your username to be similar to other players to confuse people:
        This includes trying to imitate being me, which I think is extremely sketchy, if you were pretending to be me.

    Based on your History alone, I’m not happy about giving you another change, you were given many many chances.

    In your unban appeal you have been disrespectful to staff, partly blaming staff that they didn’t intervene in something extremely personal and specific to you and THATS the reason you broke the rules and cheated, we have Many forms to report abuse and harassment, Forums, Discord, Skype, Teamspeak, Email, Private messages, there are no reports of you reporting harassment when it happened and I will not accept it as the reason for your cheating, especially since you have been warned about glitching previously.

    I HATE drama, you have somehow ALSO turned your unban appeal into a drama with other members of the server, I find this very rude, you were banned on your actions only. Do not create drama and fuel a witch hunt.

    After writing this all out I can only see negatives and no positives to you coming back.

    Closed.

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    #57749
    Astrobolt
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    @godsdead the topic got deleted

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    #57754
    GodsDead
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    @godsdead the topic got deleted

    Net Moved it to this thread 🙂

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    #57760
    JUSA
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    I really, really do not like getting involved in Drama as it always ends badly for me, but here is my reply for Mystics unban appeal based entirely on facts and his actions: https://piratemc.com/topic/mystics-un-ban-appeal-and-apology/#post-57742 EDIT: (The reply as no one can see the deleted thread) Punishment tracker. https://bans.piratemc.com/index.php?action=viewplayer&player=Mystic_Titan965&server=0 Glitching is against the rules, and we were never sent a clear video of how you did it, even though it was recorded. Since this information was kept secret, We have to assume the worse that you are using a hacked client. Lets look at your existing record:

    • Warnings:
      • Advertising
      • Racist comments
      • Door glitching (Already warned for)
      • A second warning for Racist comments.
    • Previous Bans:
      • You abused a commandblock to steal infinite items.
      • Using Alts & VPN to bypass your IP ban.
    • My pet peeves;
      • You change your username to be similar to other players to confuse people: This includes trying to imitate being me, which I think is extremely sketchy, if you were pretending to be me.

    Based on your History alone, I’m not happy about giving you another change, you were given many many chances. In your unban appeal you have been disrespectful to staff, partly blaming staff that they didn’t intervene in something extremely personal and specific to you and THATS the reason you broke the rules and cheated, we have Many forms to report abuse and harassment, Forums, Discord, Skype, Teamspeak, Email, Private messages, there are no reports of you reporting harassment when it happened and I will not accept it as the reason for your cheating, especially since you have been warned about glitching previously. I HATE drama, you have somehow ALSO turned your unban appeal into a drama with other members of the server, I find this very rude, you were banned on your actions only. Do not create drama and fuel a witch hunt. After writing this all out I can only see negatives and no positives to you coming back. Closed.

     

    I’m going to do what no one else seems to have the guts to do and go against you on this one godsy. Ultimately, you do have the final say and everyone will respect that, however I personally do not feel as though Mystic is being treated in a way that reflects the rest of the server’s opinion- including many of your staff members.

     

    The glitching bans was door glitching. It’s not hard to do using lag and spam breaking a door with crappy internet if you really want to. It is not, however, a hacked client. This would be on the same lines as sailing a vanilla boat into iron bars and getting off the boat on the inside of the bars. It’s something you can do in vanilla, you do not need a hacked client to door glitch.

    The advertising warning was a warning given for stating the abbreviation for a minigames server that is not universally enforced with warnings. Plenty of people say both the name and abbreviation for this server in teamspeak and in game and are not punished for this offense across the board.

    The racist comments, and abusing the command blocks are both very valid offenses and are reported and were punished appropriately in my opinion.

    I guess where I’m coming at with this point is why is his 3 month ban, which was the original punishment decided on, no longer sufficient punishment. What did he do after receiving this 3 month ban to deserve it being switched to permanent? I realize I’m walking a very thin line right now by openly going against you godsy, but I really don’t understand why his appeal was denied when a majority of staff members agreed with it being switched back to a 3 month ban.

    The positives to him coming back would be the entirety of the senior player base, aside from maybe 1-2 players, really want him back. He was a good friend to most of us and we enjoyed him being on the server a lot. I realize I will probably get yelled at for this thread, and probably shot down, maybe even muted/banned for it..but it really just doesn’t make any sense why he’s being permanently banned. I also know I speak for a lot of people with this thread, most of whom don’t want to contradict you or give off the potential image of not being a yes person, when I ask these questions. Regardless of how you choose to respond to this, and what punishment I end up receiving, these questions needed to be asked so eh screw it why not ask.

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    Heck..Death to Everyone 😀

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    #57761
    anandak
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    Totally agree with JUSA on this one, and I’m sure most of the community does as well.

    I want to see proof that MysticTitan DID use a hacked client. If door glitching can easily be done without one as JUSA said, why cant someone demonstrate how it’s done on the server to show it didn’t require a hacked client? What I’m thinking is: This isn’t like guilty-until-proven-innocent-land, if we don’t KNOW whether it was a hacked client, why should there be an assumption he did hack? There is way more evidence he didn’t use a hacked client anyways. Mystic is one of the few really good players left and even after the offenses, he is still a role model to new players. He helped newer players like me, is basically decent to everyone (no worse than any other pirate XD). His presence on the server is undoubtedly valuable to the server. A permanent ban seems awfully draconian and unnecessary.

     

    If you aren’t convinced that everyone appreciates Mystic go put a server wide poll out asking if his ban should be shortened. Maybe the community opinion would have some sway?

     

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    #57762
    Astrobolt
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    Mystic is one of the few really good players left and even after the offenses, he is still a role model to new players.

    That’s where you’re wrong, kiddo.

    If you aren’t convinced that everyone appreciates Mystic

    I don’t.

    @anandak I’m gonna give you a rare, valuable piece of Astro Advice (for free!): you are starting to become too much like I used to be. I suggest you stop lest you aren’t as lucky as me.

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    #57763
    anandak
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    Omg free Astro advice too good to be true thanks!

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    #57764
    The_Network
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    It is not, however, a hacked client. This would be on the same lines as sailing a vanilla boat into iron bars and getting off the boat on the inside of the bars. It’s something you can do in vanilla, you do not need a hacked client to door glitch.

    He stated “We have to assume the worse that you are using a hacked client”. I get why you’re asking though. We were never sent the full recording when he did this though, so Gods was never able to even look into how it was possible. If anyone is willing to record how the glitch is possible we would greatly appreciate it and you’d get some money in game for helping report a bug.

    I guess where I’m coming at with this point is why is his 3 month ban, which was the original punishment decided on, no longer sufficient punishment. What did he do after receiving this 3 month ban to deserve it being switched to permanent?

    As for the three month ban, that was created during his three day ban that was for using a command block that was left at cove over a hundred times. His ban was changed to three months within this period as his other punishments were considered regarding previous events. It was soon after changed to permanent when one of the staff members noticed his account had an alternate username he had been using. (That’s another story that was in discussion between staff)

    I really don’t understand why his appeal was denied when a majority of staff members agreed with it being switched back to a 3 month ban.

    To say a majority of the staff members agreed on it being switched back is not 100% correct. Only a couple staff members voiced opinions on this, and yes the majority of those that did speak were considering changing it to a temporary ban. But, for now this is the decision and there has been nothing but drama around this topic. In the future a temporary ban may be brought into consideration again. But for now I believe it is best to step back and just wait for a while.
    In the end simple x-rayers have had to wait 6 months for using a resource-pack that gives an advantage of seeing ores. I think the things Gods has spoken about can justify at least waiting a while before asking to be considered again.

    You are in your right to ask questions, you won’t be punished for doing so.

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    #57771
    GodsDead
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    @JUSAPlayer1 If someone is spreading racist comments on my sever they are not welcome, I will not tolerate racial abuse. There is absolutely no excuse for anything on this level. You didnt actually read my answer, or maybe you didnt actually process it in your brain? You completely ignored most of it to the point where Net had to break it down sentence by sentence for you to understand it.

    Instead of an appeal, Mystic DECIDED he would;

    • Not take any blame at all, and instead point fingers to what HE THINKS is the cause for HIS ACTIONS.
    • He maliciously started a witch hunt.
    • He tried to Defamation other payers to take heat off his “Appeal” onto another subject.

    I absolutely despise  manipulation @JUSAPlayer1, you have just made this worse if anything and solidified my decision to override anything anyone has previously said. This was going to be a 3 month ban, then a 6 month but the utter storm of manipulation and lies he and his friends have created on the forum is disgusting, why the hell would I want him back?

    It was never an appeal.

    Why was this thread opened when I closed it?

    CLOSED.

     

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