Request for Clarification of Rules
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August 9, 2015 at 3:49 pm #19426
This post is in response to a player being banned recently over asking if a particular mod is allowed. Here is a link to the thread in question :
http://piratemc.com/topic/smokey-please-read/
Let me stress, this is not a request to unban that player. I do not know the player, and I do not disagree with staff’s reasons for banning him. I merely suggest we clarify the rules so it doesn’t cause confusion in the future.
Currently, rule 3 states that players must not use hacks, glitches, or exploits. If a player can be banned for using a client modification in single player, the rules should explicitly reflect that. Mojang actively encourages the development and use of client mods, and though admitting to using hacks in single player could imply a player is willing to use them on the server, it is not definitive proof of hacking the server. It is not intuitive for our rules to affect Mojang approved gameplay in single player, so if they do, it should probably be stated explicitly in the rules.
My other suggestion is to clarify rule 9. The player who was banned was also cited for breaking rule 9 for not using common sense. However, rule 9 also states to ask a staff member in the event you are unsure. By the exact wording of the rules, the player did what he was instructed to do by asking a staff member if something was allowed. If there are cases where doing such is a bannable offense (which I have no problem with), the rules should probably reflect that.
The biggest issue I have with the whole scenario is that if a potential new player comes to the server and reads a thread like that, it could give the impression that someone was banned regardless of the rules, even though that is not what actually happened. To a brand new player on the server, it could look like staff decisions are inconsistent with the rules. That’s potential for bad PR.
Now, I and most other long-time players understand that there was a discussion beforehand, and the player was not banned on a whim. It was done because he actually posed a legitimate threat. It’s not the staff’s decision that was wrong. It’s just the rules could be clearer.
The bottom line is that there is an easy fix, and it’s simply to add a clause at the end of each rule to explain in more detail.
For example:
3. No hacking, cheating or exploiting glitches. No client mod(s).
Do not hack, cheat or use glitches.
Do not use a modified minecraft client (apart from Optifine). If you connect to PirateCraft with a modified client, even if you do not intend to use the mods in PirateCraft gameplay, you will be considered a risk to the server.
If you find an exploitable glitch, contact a staff member.
9. Use common sense.
The Rules aren’t exhaustive.
If something doesn’t appear in these rules but seems like it should be forbidden, then it probably is!
Ask staff members if in doubt, but read the rules first. If your question proves you have broken a rule, you will not be spared discipline for ignorance.
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Once again, I am not requesting for the player to be unbanned, nor am I saying staff was wrong to ban the player for posing a threat in the first place. However, I think the wording of the rules should be updated to prevent confusion.
August 9, 2015 at 4:54 pm #19431Well said Eph, Well said.
This is true, like I know that because he had that texture pack was wrong, but technically the rules don’t say that having it is wrong, it only states that using it is wrong, don’t hate if you disagree and if a staff member reads, please don’t get angry I am just saying what I feel
This post that I posted on this post about something is probably useles information.............
August 9, 2015 at 5:23 pm #19433MCMonkeyGMx, I appreciate your comment, however I must ask that players please refrain from passing judgement on the thread that has been closed. This thread is specifically about updating the wording of the rules. Continuing to discuss a closed thread will get my topic closed.
August 10, 2015 at 1:44 am #19447Yea, here are my two thoughts.
Maybe 3 staff have to decide the ban if its legit or not
Please straighten up the rules like Eph said, some people who aren’t new ask if xray packs are allowed, nothing happened to them? Please straighten this up.
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August 10, 2015 at 2:14 am #19448we shount make 3 staff members make one dicition we trust in them to make the fairest decition (but I do agree with eph we need a better rule clarification).but having the texurepack and asking if you cant use it….is just too risky for not too bann them.think about it.you don’t know if they will really not use it and even if they swear on it theres absolutely no way too know if someone is using x-ray (unless mojang makes some type of “texurepack changing notification” that sends what texurepacks players have changed too inside the server that be really usefull for these types of cituations….).so I agree that we should clarify the rules but if someone ask if the texurepack is aloud then we cant take the risk…..
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August 10, 2015 at 2:29 am #19449Lol DrSolid disagrees with everything Dorkito says xD .
Anyway the rules clear state to ask a staff whenever in doubt which doesn’t really work with the ‘common sence rule’. He did as instructed(although It would seem obvious that you can’t have x-Ray texture packs) but he asked to make sure.
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August 10, 2015 at 1:21 pm #19454I thought x-ray texturepacks dont work anymore since 1.8 ?
August 10, 2015 at 2:25 pm #19464Eph you raise a very good point. But when I state this was a staff decision, I mean it was not just my decision. It was discussed before hand.
Also
“The fact he used for single player gives him the edge to use it onlineThat tendency is what we are discouraging.”-SuperGL?Smokeyriver?
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*depends on how you want to view my super powers*August 10, 2015 at 2:38 pm #19466Mark, some X-ray packs do still work but don’t work like old ones did
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---------------------------------------------------August 10, 2015 at 4:36 pm #19471Smokey,
I agree with staff’s reasons for banning him, and I realize that the fact that he singled you out in the title of the post is just coincidence. I do not mean to throw around guilt or blame in any way. You guys did the right thing!
August 22, 2015 at 3:48 pm #19930Anyone at any time can help amend or update rules from the Wiki, that’s why I created it. http://wiki.piratemc.com/Rules
If all staff approve of the updated or amended rules; I will publish it to the main website rules page, Obviously the wiki isn’t tracked daily, so a forum post saying changes we made needs to be made into the suggestions forum.
For the idiot that was banned for asking to use hacks, It’s just common sense that anyone that spills that kind of tar our of their mouth isn’t someone we want on PirateCraft at all, Why take the risk of letting them cause harm only to have to fix it later? Its clearly written in the rules http://piratemc.com/information/rules/
Do not use any minecraft client modification (Apart from Optifine)
If there should be a client side plugin added to the list of allowed client side mods then please add it to the Wiki, Most nearly everything client side is targeted to help the player benefit themselves which gives them an unfair advantage. I don’t like this as I like a fair playing ground.
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