[Resolved] I abused game mechanics and got punished, now Im mad.

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  • #60568

    GingfulGlider
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    Hello, its me GingfulGlider, and so basically I scammed players out of 20 thousand dollars using sign shops and at the time I did not know this was illegal considering other players have done this before and have not faced repercussions, and I don’t believe it has said anything about it DIRECTLY in the rules (I have checked them over 3 times before writing this), so I thought it would be perfectly legal and an easy way to get money. So I have been punished, talked to, and my sign shops have been taken away, however I just want to know how long my sign shops will be taken? I would like to have them soon as I am going to be making a very cool casino that I think would be very fun for other players to bet in (its an honest casino where you can either win big or lose a little) That’s all I wanted to know, thank you!

    PS:I didn’t know whether to make this in unban requests, or help requests? So I”m guessing i put it here? Sorry.

    • This topic was modified 9 months ago by  GodsDead. Reason: Fixed the retarded title
    #60570

    GodsDead
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    1. Have you actually TESTED that your ability to create shops was removed? I haven’t turned on the permit system, so I believe that you are lying in this post.
      I am the only person able to do this, so I am the only person you need to talk to about this.
    2. I refuse and am disgusted at the request to have EVERY SINGLE thing possible in minecraft be written up into rules. Rules you broke:
      1. You were abusing game mechanics for your own gain (no 7)
      2. Rule 9 Use common sense, this is obviously abusing mechanics.
      3. Rule 2 Anything any member of staff says, goes. You are trying to circumvent your punishment.
    3. Related https://piratemc.com/topic/my-money-was-stolen-by-gingfulglider/

     

    • This reply was modified 9 months ago by  GodsDead.
    #60578

    Turseturtle
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    just asking for clarification, i remember a long time ago (a few months ago) someone asked if you can use signshops to scam people as in the shop actually has nothing and i remember that a member of staff said yes so i wanted to know if that was allowed to know if i should report it if i get scammed

    The turtles will rise...

    #60579

    Crazy Pirate
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    Oi,

    7) Do not game stats, bounties or abuse game mechanics.

    8) Scamming and blackmail.

    Scamming is allowed, however abuse of game or plugin mechanics to scam is forbidden, see rule 7.

    10) Use common sense.

    If you do not understand this rule, please go bury your head in a hole.

    These rules aren’t exhaustive.

    If something doesn’t appear in these rules but seems like it should be forbidden, then it probably is!

    Ask staff members if in doubt.

    I feel like your actions are very clearly against the rules here bud. Sometimes issues that arise on the forums have no precedent on piratecraft, and so I can understand how some players may get confused. Rules aren’t exhaustive, and there’s always gonna be a problem when players try to use this to their advantage, and there’s always going to be grey areas that make decision making so hard.

    But in this case, what you did was actually, explicitly, clearly against the rules. Like, not open to interpretation, written as plain as day on the wiki. Don’t use plugins to scam people. Black and white. Right there in ink. Literally can’t think how else to say it. Just accept responsibility, and move on.

     

    - CrazyPirate
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    Foreign Secretary, Lord, former Prime Minister and founder of the British Empire

    #60583

    Peppykiss395
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    I’m pretty sure the title itself sums up why you’re in trouble oof

    sUbScRiBe To ShOcKErBoY686

    #60586

    CosmicKing
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    So, I’m pretty sure that all that Gingfulglider is asking for is his permission to use signs, he is afraid of not being able to: gain money, get richer, and be able to have the chance to have a steady balance of 1k or higher.

    This is what most of us poor players strive for but, don’t take it from me, take it from an unwritten rule.

    Also wiki can be edited by outsiders, so who’s to say The

    “Scamming is allowed, however abuse of game or plugin mechanics to scam is forbidden, see rule 7.”

    Was not edited or added on there for the convenience of this request.

    Also I believe that it would be unfair to take someone’s sign permissions away If they were just told/punished for this once.

    I believe if anyone got their signs taken away it would take away from the experience of playing pirate craft, Sure I don’t own a shop but, for some owning a shop at /warp shop something is a big deal.

    I hope that even though he is not my friend, I hope you know I like to defend what I believe is right, even though we all may have perspectives on what’s right or wrong, what really matters is, what’s fair?

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    #60587

    Astrobolt
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    So, I’m pretty sure that all that Gingfulglider is asking for is his permission to use signs, he is afraid of not being able to: gain money, get richer, and be able to have the chance to have a steady balance of 1k or higher. This is what most of us poor players strive for but, don’t take it from me, take it from an unwritten rule. Also wiki can be edited by outsiders, so who’s to say The “Scamming is allowed, however abuse of game or plugin mechanics to scam is forbidden, see rule 7.” Was not edited or added on there for the convenience of this request. Also I believe that it would be unfair to take someone’s sign permissions away If they were just told/punished for this once. I believe if anyone got their signs taken away it would take away from the experience of playing pirate craft, Sure I don’t own a shop but, for some owning a shop at /warp shop something is a big deal. I hope that even though he is not my friend, I hope you know I like to defend what I believe is right, even though we all may have perspectives on what’s right or wrong, what really matters is, what’s fair?

    If you read the wiki page revision history, it was actually added in yesterday by LEGQ. However, as he is a wiki admin, this is probably because staff/gods told him to put it in after they all discussed the situation. Also, if you read gods’ response, he never says anything specifically about it.

    As a side note, if I understand the situation correctly, it seems that BassQueen808 clicked a lever which in turn pulled back a piston that revealed the sign. Since BassQueen808 was spam-clicking, he clicked the sign immediately after he click the lever, giving him no time to react. I am not sure how this is considered abusing game mechanics. I can’t believe I’m actually defending GingfulGlider, but I simply don’t see how something that is simple deception could be mistaken as a grave offense against the rules and be handled with severe consequences.

    As another side note, I suggest updating the official /rules in-game and https://piratemc.com/information/rules/ as people (especially new players) are more likely to see those than a wiki post that they probably don’t even know exists. They are also more likely to trust those sources, as they are not able to be easily altered by people with malicious intent. Also, so that everyone knows of rule updates and cannot miss them, I suggest putting a note in the in-game motd whenever a rule is updated/added/deleted.

    • This reply was modified 9 months ago by  Astrobolt.
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    #60602

    CosmicKing
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    Also the Orginal Title was

    “My Sign ships were taken away”

    Just to clarify that, so the new immature title

    “I abused game mechanics now I’m mad”

    Isn’t taken seriously…

    Governor in Rome.
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    #60603

    Crazy Pirate
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    I apologise GingfulGilder.

    I didn’t realise that the rule had only been added as recently as yesterday, as Astro pointed out, and so my reply is basically complete BS. It was wrong of me to therefore be such a condescending prick 🙂

    I suppose this means your appeal falls within the grey area I mentioned earlier, and I wish you the best of luck getting everything sorted out.

    - CrazyPirate
    Lord of Hamsfield Court,
    Foreign Secretary, Lord, former Prime Minister and founder of the British Empire

    #60626

    Palmerageddon
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    The only thing I could compare the use of using game mechanics to steal someone’s belongings is using the ship plugin to basically break somebody’s base so you can have a go at their loot.

    Again, very clever but don’t do it please.

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