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January 19, 2016 at 7:39 pm #27679
To Godsdead, all other admins and all players (current and past). (@godsdead)
Before I get started on this rant, I want to remind everyone that Godsdead has a plan for the economy. He has already brought to our attention that we have to be patient and everything will get better. This post is not in regard to the problem that the economy is suffering or that people are raiding shops, etc, etc. My main concern is as follows:
Earlier this morning (2-3 hours ago) certain individuals took it upon themselves to build a shelter with a gate at the spawn of warp trade. This shelter was locked to prevent anyone from entering warp trade. By preventing individuals from leaving this small hut they aimed cannons at the locked building and shot cannon balls at a few individuals (as a result killing a deckhand, and Emperorlew). I believe that the sole fact that a public warp can be used to trap other players is an abuse of the privilege. I know from this moment on the rant may get controversial so I will try to defend my opinion with arguements already provided to me.
Owner of Warp Trade/Allies of Said Owner thoughts
– This warp has been bought by Bislo from months/years back and he has the right to do what he wants.
– Absolutley! I agree that he should keep his warp and he should control it as he wishes. Using a cage to prevent people from leaving the spawn area is not the way to do this. May I suggest a piston contraption that when the time comes that Bislo or anyone wants to prevent the usage of the warp they can block it off? (notsure if that will prevent peope from tping in.) My main concern with a cage built at the area of trade is that it prevents freedom of movement to a public warp. Owning a warp was an awesome perk back in the day and I am sure many of us would like to buy one. Since that is no longer a possibility the owner of warp Trade should not be able to gain an additional teleport to an area of the map (for himself and other allies) and lock others out of it. Trapping individuals (or having the ability to trap individuals) in an enlcosed box, then blow them up is not a fair alternative to preventing warp killing. I personally do not feel safe using a public warp if I could be trapped and killed without the ability to protect my self.
– PVP is a privilege and as Bislo claims, he is not good at it.
–Back to this old rant. (Feel bad for me because I am not good at pvp). Pirate craft is a pvp server regardless if you like it or not. If you dont want to have pvp then go play creative. However most of us like a balance of PVP and economics and building. Others favor one aspect. Those who favor PVP are usually the ones being called “harrasers” or “bullies”. Is their a term for people who take advantage of their long term playtime and who have been privileged to own a player warp? Who have the ability to trap players at a warp and kill them? Is that not bullying? After reading the above comments someone is going to post but “Chamberlain you warp kill all the time.” YES I do. Let’s get that out of the way. My opinion on killing at warps is as follows: I usually tp in after the individual is at a warp. When anyone tps to a warp they should expect to be attacked or have conflict and have an escape route. If that player dies with their items they have a choice… TP back to the warp knowing I am probably still there or leave their items and move on. If they tp back warp killing is no longer a concern. They knowingly accept that I am geared for pvp and they shouldn’t claim harrasment or abuse. Yesterday’s blood bath is a prime example of this. People were returning to warp trade to just jump around and hangout without armor. They did not want to buy items nor did they expect to live very long.
So how do you prevent warp killing? Can you close the warp with blocks like mentioned above? If not you unfortunetly have to deal with the problem with PVP or hopefully GodsDead can create warps that have player shops that are pvp free that individuals cannot tp in or out of. Therefore creating safety inside the warp however having the ability for pirates to attack when a player leaves the safety to TP out. (Just ideas, and again Gods has a plan)
An additional thought, Bislo has one more warp than someone who has Boatswain simply because he has bought it in previous years. He bought it to encourage trade, and help the server. (Admirable) If Bislo is allowed to trap players in this cage of theirs and kill them that is essentially providing another warp for him and his allies to use when the rest of us cannot. I agree with trapping at your base or your crew home. Just not at a player warp where everyone has access to it but only a few have the ability to build there.
Just please get rid of that cage that you have at trade so you cannot blow people who tp in to bits.
Thank you,
Chamberlain1
January 19, 2016 at 8:20 pm #27680Now I tried to explain to you in chat, but you were clearly too busy badmouthing me so here it is again. The gate is for emergencies LIKE yesterday.
for anyone not informed; here is the news coverage..
http://piratemc.com/groups/piratecraft-news/forum/topic/blood-blood-and-more-bloodnews-edition-30/
I was not online yesterday, although my new Cheif of Security, _Lego_, was. He told me the following; “I tried to block the warp so they couldn’t get in, but I was killed again and again. The entire CoV used the town as a playground for killing players and hunting bounties, we could use defences!” (This is not the exact thing he told me, but thats how I understood the situation.
Now, yesterday is NOT the first time incidents like this happen, where entire groups “take over” the warp and kills everyone in sight – It is in fact just one of many episodes where my TRADE town, Mind you TRADE town <—- ok?.. Is being used as an arena, which it is not.
What can I do about that? hmm.. I could jump in with a god gear and wreck havoc like the rest of the dudes, but I’m not going to, because my town is NOT an arena. Its a place to trade as I’ve written on the forums month after month till my fingers exploded. I’m not against fighting in no way, but when 5 dudes roam the streets and me not knowing who is friendly, I’m not inclined to take up the fight.
So to the gate – It is NOT for me to gain a vantage to kill innocents trying to use my warp, it is in fact to prevent Warp killers like yourself to take over my warp, since if you guys can’t get in, you can’t get any kills.. and if you already are in and tp your friends, who will you kill when the warp is closed? 😉 – You see, problem solved. Not you can go back to raiding other places and People can start trading again. It is a PVP server and I embrace that, I never try to limit the PVP aspect of the server. I just want a peaceful area where people can trade and not have to look 40 times over their shoulders in fear of being moulded by a hardcore PVP God gear man, in the middle of buying supplies for a build, selling ores or even buying some bread.. You see, I’ve also set up locations where people can safely TP out of the warp or hide, if they feel threatened. The cage is just one part of my new plan. I’ve added the cannon tower for my guards to defend the warp, yes with cannons aimed at the cage, since as you said yourself, You warp in knowing there is gonna be a fight, I’m gonna blow you up, cuz I don’t want you here, understand?
The cage is not in use all the time, only when situations arise where me or my security staff feels that a conflict is escalating.
People always tell me to take the matters in my own hands, well now I’ve done exactly that, the cage stays, It is in no way impowering me more than it should, It helps me take up the fight I’ve been loosing so bad against the hardcore PVP’ers.
I’m not one bit surprised the second you feel you cannot manipulate with the trade towns you run to the forums and ask it be reversed so you can once more roam free and wreck havoc, I’m using minecraft mechanics to my advantage and I am keeping my trade town free from warp killers and I would advise all other Warp owners to build a cage like mine to prevent nasty situations were lots of people get killed. If you want PVP, then fight someone on your own size, and ready for a fight, stop going after the people trading(often not wearing appropriate PVP gear and in no way ready to defend themselves, mind you)This post is full of whining and should be closed immediately.
Founder of Port Hope
January 19, 2016 at 8:46 pm #27681<span style=”color: #555555; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px;”>”Now I tried to explain to you in chat, but you were clearly too busy badmouthing me so here it is again.” </span>
Bad mouthing? Bislo stop acting like a child and trying to insult me. No where in my original post did it slander you in anyway. My post was a matter of opinion and a request to ask you to remove your trap at a public warp. Your juvenile attempt to make me look bad hopefully is viewed by the admins. Your warp will not be protected by trapping people at the spawn point. In fact I will sit at your warp and kill anyone who comes in. This is my right as it is a pvp server. I don’t understand how you don’t get this… and I hope admins recognize the fact that since this forum thread is started Bislo and his friends will take every opportunity to report me and get me banned for harassment. I just want to make this clear my objective is not to harass Bislo or his friends but to deal enough fear into the users of warp trade that no one will want to go there. Making his trap obsolete. (Sorry Dag)
January 19, 2016 at 9:12 pm #27682Why can’t you change your “trap” designed to kill people at a player warp into a piston device that can prevent people from Teleporting in like you want?
January 19, 2016 at 9:19 pm #27683Chamber after what happened yesterday and MANY times before with people attacking /warp trade and not respecting all of the hard work and effort that goes into actually sustaining a town, I personally think Bislo has the right to install security measures at his warp. These security measures would not be used to abuse people that warp there and if they are, then yes, the security measures should be forced to be dismantled.
HOWEVER in the case that the warp is being attacked by multiple bullies that are just there to ruin players’ days, then the security measures should be allowed to fight off those bullies.EDIT: Sure go for the “scare people away from this warp” approach but players have plenty of other choices to shop at but with these security measures, players can shop slightly safer (or have a feeling of safety) if they really need to buy from /warp trade.
~High (#420) Admiral of the BE Navy and retired News Anchor of the Piratecraft Survival Server~
January 19, 2016 at 9:20 pm #27684Chamber.. You told me I’m abusing my right as a warp owner, that is badmouthing. You tell me I just want to kill people with my “trap”, thats badmouthing.
It’s not a trap, its a defence mechanism. Here lies the difference, I don’t simply want to kill you and steal your stuff, I want to prevent you from entering my warp with the intention to kill others. Is it not my right to not let you in, if said warp is claimed by me? I think so. I simply kill you if I can, with my cannon tower, because I want you dead for trying to ruin my warp.
See I don’t have anything personal against you, I threat every warp killer who comes to my warp with intention to kill the same. You say you will personally go after me because you want to ruin my business, that is harassment – It might not be serious harassment and I’m not going to report you for killing at my warp, but I will do what I can to stop you from doing it.When did I say its not your “right” to kill in my town? I simply say I do not want it and that it’s Cowardice to hunt the weak instead of seeking a fair fight. You don’t want hardcore PVP, you want easy prey, end of. I’m not gonna let you.
It is in fact harassment that you wish to make me destroy my cage by ruining my business and making my warp unpopular, but go ahead. I’ve dealt with many like you in the past, who feels I’m a the bad guy who enjoys harming others, when in fact, I’m trying to protect traders coming to my warp. I’m never giving up, so live with the cage or spend the rest of your minecraft days killing people in my warp, I really don’t care.
Founder of Port Hope
January 19, 2016 at 9:59 pm #27685You have a simple solution to do what you are aiming. Block off your warp entrance in those times of extreme pvp. That solves your problem. Not trapping players in a cage. That is all I am getting at. you have an option to do what you want but instead you are using your additional warp to trap those who oppose your warp trade because you aren’t good at PVP. Everyone has the option to practice pvp and improve. Not everyone has the option to create a warp. Your creation of a trap limits certain individuals and hinders travel. This is what I am opposed of. Aim a cannon at the warp for when peopled tp in! Go for it! Just don’t trap people at a public warp.
January 19, 2016 at 10:01 pm #27686I’m ok with you defending your warp and what not but I hate the way you use the whole “m80 you kill here one more time… das harrasment” that honestly gets me when you say its harassment for killing at a public warp
January 19, 2016 at 10:04 pm #27687And Bislo just to verify, if one is not allowed to hinder trade at a port while enhancing trade at another one then whats the point of an economy? After all business is business and if you have control of a market others should have control over where the traffic comes and goes. As should you by blocking your warp if you want. Not spawn trapping.
January 19, 2016 at 10:18 pm #27689TL:DR
So, what I get from this is that players were occupying /warp trade, killing everyone and refusing to leave? So the owner decided to lockdown the entrance to stop the chaos – and all the PLAYER KILLERS who went there to kill innocent shoppers are complaining that they got killed unfairly and that it’s the ADMIN‘s fault for not removing warps? And that it’s unfair that the player who paid money to buy the warp can actually control it if he or she likes. And that it’s the player killers’ RIGHT to kill players who go shopping there?
*Facepalm*
I can’t wait for the new system to be implemented, seriously…
January 19, 2016 at 10:19 pm #27690One other point. The only reason why bloodbaths occur is because people tp back to the warp. If people stopped coming back there would be no one to kill. You method of a trap does not prevent people from killing there. It stops the eventual mass murders that take place as a result of people without armor tping in to see whats going on….
January 19, 2016 at 10:29 pm #27693That’s not what I am getting at at all PaulonFire, what is with everyone? No one got killed unfairly yesterday. My only beef was that there is a spawn trap at warp trade. That is it. It is not the admins fault. Stop trying to spin this. A warp is essentially a gathering place for players to be. Whether it is Cove, Arena, Trade, etc. PVP is allowed someplaces and some are not. I am not saying that is an admin problem I am saying that if Gods turned warp cove into a fall trap many would be upset.
January 19, 2016 at 10:48 pm #27700Thing is, it’s not a trap. People tp in, they shop. Then, someone else tp’s in, they attack the shoppers. Rather than let the person kill anyone who turns up, the cage is locked an anyone spawning in is safe. Should someone tp in who is known to be a warp killer, the cage is shut and they get blown up.
It’s a smart way of keeping warps safe, and is perfectly acceptable.
January 19, 2016 at 10:56 pm #27701I would just like to point out that the only people that are saying this is okay are those who are with the BE and will not be trapped within the cage. If Godsdead could make that cage pvp free so that people who tp in will not get blown up and allow them to tp out I would agree… however I do not agree with allowing a crew, a public warp to be free to trap players.
January 19, 2016 at 10:56 pm #27702I would love to add somthing. Involving warp killing at warp trade Lego the Elven ambassador is helping sustaining order and I myself have tried to help.
After having read the False news post of the Queen killing at warp trade I would like to state that I have killed 2 people. Which both people have started. Kirigo was at warp trade last night.
He followed me around coming to a conclusion of him attacking me and Bislo and others as my witness this happened. Shortly after he returned in God armor to kill me. NOTE: I did not return with God as to not blow the situation out of proportion. So just wanted to say that was not my fault.
Khetien has been warp killing excessively and so we blocked off the warp to prevent further disruption as the British is trying to do a upgrades on There port.
The British have only done nothing but self defense. If people would respect the warps the. We wouldn’t have problems as much.
**Local shop owners such as dag will not allow pvp in his shop nor outside of it so any type of that will be put to an end.**
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