In reference to my comment. It was to be taken lightly as I don’t make decisions on such a large case without admin approval. In hindsight I should not have made the comment but that does not excuse the actions of some of the members of a crew that have been hacking.

I’ve been in contact with apple the Government of the BE these last few days to try and figure out why this happened. To my understanding the BE joined up on a hack-bashing against the Apple crew, because it was widely believed that people in that crew were hackers. Apple contacted me to tell his side of the story and I could understand how it was out of his hands. Two players or how many idk, where suspected hakcers, evidence or not.. His crew has 80 some members so it is hard to control everyone and know who is playing fair and who isn’t. I also have problems keeping track of everyone in BE. It’s impossible, I rely on the ministers to do a good job, If they don’t, then it reflects on the crew directly and the forums are filled with “BE killing everyone” seconds later.. So I understand how apple feel and I truly think it’s unfair to hate the entire crew because of a few hackers within the ranks.

I have told the government to not actively hunt apple members, I have told them to report the hackers if they so needed to act on this. I told them to stay away from apples lands, because I don’t want anything to do with it. It doesn’t do good to kill hackers, cuz they are still hackers – report them instead and let staff lead the investigation.

I’m sorry if this post looks like a strike against the apple crew. I am aware of some personal vendettas from within, interfering and making this situation hard to resolve, but I can say that the BE as a crew, will not act aggressive towards JuiceKings from this point on. I have stated that, so if I hear anything, then the offenders will be punished according to our regular “BE pvp laws”. Offenders can be reported in the british embassy group, remember to follow the instructions in the appropriate post.

Can I just interject? I’ve been away for a lads week, and just want to clear up any drama, and explain my role in the whole thing. No big, 10,000 word dissertations, just trying to add some clarity and backstory.

As we all know, for some time, many members of Apple’s crew have been suspected of hacks. Sadly, its inevitable that some people do hack, and so the server responded accordingly, by raiding JuiceKings. Now, I’m not going to argue if this is justified, but it happened.

Many members of the BE also helped. If a friend tells you they are being overwhelmed by hackers, you help them. And so the BE, as authorised by senior officials online, aided our allies against those we suspected (with good reason) of using hacks. Its the decent thing to do.

Now, bislo comes back from 2 weeks away, and tells us Apple is off limits, and anyone caught attacking them will be stripped of all rank, and kicked from the BE. This sparks a lot of discussion in our government group, and it is revealed to us that Apple claimed to have evidence that would get some BE members a temp ban.

Many officials, myself included, came to the following conclusions. Firstly, that is blackmail, and we should respond aggressively, against such a ‘low blow’. Secondly, if such evidence truly exists, we should not protect those individuals; being part of the BE shouldn’t make someone above the rules, and as such, we believed that Apple should create a proper report, and we would support him.

Needless to say, such a report never materialized.

Regardless, bislo linked us to an imgur album, which showed a number of screens that supposedly showed how evil the BE was, etc, etc, etc.

So a little in depth reading later, and I was able to conclude the following (using google translate):

1) A member of Apple’s crew admitted to using hacks in /c

2) Apple saw this, and failed to report this. Rather, he had the audacity to include it in a folder he planned to blackmail the BE in. Karma, bitch.

3) Other crew members saw this, and failed to report.

4) Nobody told this guy off in /c

5) This guy wasn’t kicked from the crew

6) A crew member told him to keep the hacks hidden

7) This was also seen by Apple, who failed to report

8) This was also seen by other crew members, who, guess what, failed to report

9) Nobody told this guy off either

10) He’s also still in the crew

So what does this all tell us? That within Apple, there is a culture where hacks are readily accepted. If such an event were to occur within the BE, and I were to witness it, I would write up the report myself. It shows us Apple is aware members of his crew hacks, despite arguing repeatedly against this in the forums. It shows us that crew members don’t stand against hacking and cheats, but rather, encourage it and support it. It shows us that they are unwilling to follow server rules, and that everyone in that crew, online at the time, made a deliberate decision not to report a hacker, because they shared a little prefix before their gamer tag.

It shows us there are hackers in Apple, and that there are likely more, since this is clearly accepted. It shows us that blackmail is acceptable in the eyes of Applejk. It also provides the most potent example of pure karma ever, where he actually incriminates himself and his crewmates whilst attempting to blackmail the BE. It shows us that they are so confident, that indeed, he is so confident, he is willing to provide evidence of hacks in blackmail, assuming I couldn’t be arsed to translate it.

In short, it shows us a hell of a lot. If you’ve just skimmed down here, go up, and hopefully it might clear things up for you. But I for one, regardless of the official BE verdict, will hunt hackers regardless of crew, and will by extension hunt anyone who provides them with shelter and the means to do further harm.

#OperationAppleCrumble – Because justice tastes sweet 😛

@crazy

Well written, maybe you’d care to join me and build on our next little ‘excursion’ to their base?

~Privateer for the 13c

Well said crazy, finally something in this makes sense.

It looks like CrazyPirate didn’t read a word of my defense. My comment responds already to all the points you have made.

OfficialRS wrote:

@crazypirate1 sorry to burst your bubble (lol) but Apple made true in his defence that while the BE and allies were attacking, Apple was in the process of trying to sort the problem out with BE members like Shay and Keto, and because of that, was made oblivious of the hackers in his crew and the chat in which the hackers were discussing their hacks.

Yeah, I saw the video too, and it was bloody obvious to me that they were discussing hacks, even though it isn’t my mother tongue. I’d also work on the assumption that if your crew were beaing attacked, you’d look in crew chat for updates and to make a plan?

Not only that, but surely Apple rewatched the video? And he paused at that point to take screens; you mean to tell me he didn’t see it then? Someone needs their eyes tested :/