After briefly reading most peoples posts, it seems that having /bottled xp is too OP.

BUT the only other way of getting it would be using a cleric villager. If you have a villager farm (a few players have decent ones) you are considered OP. This would mean xp is more exclusive and therefore more expensive. so even less people would be able to use it.

To get xp from clerics isn’t cheap either. its something like 5-9 gold ingot for 1 bottle (correct me if I’m wrong ( Dan I know u have an OP 1.7 cleric for CHEAP AF)) this is expensive too.

At least when /bottle is a thing, one can fend for them selves and buy their own xp and a good price.

The problem with pvp in 1.9 is like the problem with 1.8 ( its stopped being about skill)

in 1.8 you can carry tones of Gapples and many sets *cough* secon and lew *cough*

Now with 1.9, although hits are harder, one can now carry LOADS of xp and crapples. This effectively means having an infinite set .

Skill can only be based on having equal kits for pvp now.

I may seem narrow minded and lazy for not giving a good read of all the posts ( there’s 4 pages, I mean come on! ) but I still don’t see the benift of losing xp over keeping it.

yes, there are faults with both choices. How ever it still seems that keeping is the best bet.

Anyway, this is down to what the majority thinks.

But what ever you vote, think it through 😀

Ice

I understand all the reasons for getting rid of bottles. Fine. But the last time I went to rank up through grinding xp, it took 3 and 1/2 hours at a extremely sophisticated super grinder (thanks again Lucky V), but who really has that much time at any one “sitting”? And actually I had to do that twice since, like a goof, I was so into the grinding I let my hunger go and died, at lvl 58. ?

It’s not that easy is all I’m saying. The life span of most new people is on the order of minutes or a day at most. So do what you must and we will adjust, but perhaps we can just agree to disagree.

Initially I had voted “no” in a knee-jerk reaction.
But then I read through this entire thread with all it’s ups and downs and roundabouts and I have to say: the pvp and game balance would benefit by the removal of /bottle.

So -even if I personally would love to keep stashing my bottles away- server-wide it just makes sense.
Not sure if I can re-do my vote anywhere. I didn’t see a way.

Baz

lol, good analogy using politics, since that is usually a series of compromises where it ends up that no one’s happy 🙂

Let’s do some briefing: What has been said in this topic for now. Pros & Cons with /bottle.

Pros:

1. Helps ranking up
2. Can store xp for players
3. XP can be “an item” which can be traded

Cons:

1. Can be “abused” if the “double xp plugin” are added to the server
2. Are making the survival easier for players
3. Can be used in pvp to help mending gear/armor (makes a battle last longer – seems to be a con to me)
4. Removing the /bottle will make an xp bottle give 1-7 exp pr bottle, which in average makes each bottle drop 4,75 times less exp – rich players will lose hard obtained exp.
5. “Removing /bottle will make the gap between rich and poor even bigger”

Let’s say we want to keep the /bottle, the solution to “con 1.” could be not adding the “double xp plugin,” or somehow make the xp go straight into the xpbar. The solution to “con 2.” could be charging 30-40 exp instead of 20 each bottle – which also are the solution to “con 4.” people won’t lose exp. “Con 3” seems hard to fix – maybe make the exp go straight into the bar? won’t mend armor or tools. “Con 5” isn’t a problem if you ask me, it will solve itself over time.

Now let’s say we want to remove the /bottle plugin. We will then have to live without the pros. To live without “pro 1.” we could (as godsdead already suggested) remove or decrease the amount of exp you need to rankup. To live without “pro 2.” we could simply just live without it lol, it’s not a big problem if you ask me. what do we say when a new player joins the server and ask for goods? “It’s a survival server mate, you can’t just get free goods out of nothing.” “pro 3” could for sure be fixed with some other plugin, if needed.

68 posts, 8 reasons to keep/remove the plugin, why did this cause so much rage? lol.

Keeping it would be a terrible idea. First of all Mending has completely ruined PvP and I’m pretty sure that the Minecraft developers did not expect people to have stacks and stacks of these when they implemented Mending (what I’m basically trying to say is that Mending is not meant to be used with an absurd amount of bottles of enchanting). The only real reason why people want to keep this plugin is because they know that they depend on it. A battle between two people should definitely not last for more that 5-10 minutes. All bottles of enchanting do is extend this time even further by a lot since the only real way of dealing damage now is waiting for armor to break due to steak and items like golden apples. Now, some people are saying that villagers would just completely replace /bottle but as someone mentioned above it takes an extreme amount of emerald blocks to obtain just a stack of bottles of xp. Before, four inventory slots in some player’s inventories were taken up by a spare set of armor. That is now replaced with a stack of bottles of xp which is probably more that one extra set worth of durability. The removal of /bottle would definitely increase the value of bottles of enchanting but it would turn them into a limited resource more or less.