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    Icanra
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    Hey guys its me, the orange leprechaun/carrot/potato/Icanra, i am having a few issues with land this is not to report the players but simply to see what you guys think and if you support me or not/am i in the wrong?

    How it all begun:

    Around 4-5 months ago during the LR’s conquest to gain new forts and settlements, i bought a town off gildor_stinky for around 150-200 in game “moneys”  (it was a while ago so i am unclear on the exact amount). Unfortunately, i didn’t have enough claimblocks to completely claim it (because of the several settlements i had to claim because of the new towns) but gildor offered to trust me and give me full access to the claims and allow me to work on the town while i worked up the claim blocks, he said however that i, do officially own the town and it is my property despite the fact it was claimed by him.

    I started working on the town quite often but used invisibility potions supplied by Maximus_Terragon so as i was invisible from the live map (this was because the i feared being hunted down at the time because of the towns near proximity to cov lands as there were a few forts which people could take 5 mins to walk to me) I managed to fix up most of the town as it was slightly damaged. I worked around a player named xElitaa who had claimed two houses and the small market place in the centre of town, i was waiting for gildor to attempt to remove xElitaa’s claims as he said he would – he said he would do this by asking them as they were friends and also i had full ownership of the town now. After working on the town for a while, i started to move onto another town until gildor had gotten xElitaa’s claims removed. It was around this time when a long inactive player: HaloBearer98 came back to the server, after asking around he eventually joined my crew and we started talking, we were at another one of my towns and when he said he owned a base i asked it i could see it. It came as a surprise to me that he owned a small but tall tower that was around 100 blocks of the town that is the issue in this post. Halo then left my crew a few days later and started to work on his tower again. He then proceeded to build a giant square box 9 blocks off the edge of the town’s claims without ever consulting me, i complained to him and asked him if he could possibly not build literally next to the town he ignored me and continued. He then made a crew and started completly taking over the land around the town, he built a small wall on the edge of the claims and started building bigger walls after that and expanding both the towers. As well as halo claiming one of the houses in the town that wasnt claimed

    (This is all the background information i can recall if anyone wants to ask specific questions then please do)

    I will now go into detail about the way they have been acting about it:

    Halo and the rest of his crew have been then really hostile to alot of people over the matter of the town claiming that the town is 100% theirs and even admitting that their plan was to harrass me and my crew until we gave up and left the town. Here are some screenshots that show this (some other people also have screenshots like max, rep and palm who will hopefully post them below but i have a few of max’s screenshots)

    Way they have been acting (Sorry for the insane amount of screenshots, but our convos took a while):

    (The main people to look out for are Halo and BleachwithGluten who is his crew member)

    (Sorry for this last one as the convo is unclear)

     

    I also have some images of where gildor admits that i own the claim:

     

    And finally to top this all off i have a picture of the actual land itself

    The Red represents the land that i own and was originally there

    The Black represents the things that Halo built recently

    The Blue represents the small bit that xElitaa owns

    The Green represents the land that halo originally had while inactive (Halo also built the huge walls surrounding the continent and admitted to this in an earlier screenshot)

     

    And finally these are a clip from the servers rules that i am basing this on.

     

    Thank you all for reading this long long post, i hope you guys will give me some advice on what to do with this, i have been trying to be civil and they have just insulted me. Also if i missed out anything and you wanna ask questions please just say 🙂 thanks – The Orange Leprechaun aka Icanra

     

    • This topic was modified 4 years, 5 months ago by Icanra.

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    #36006
    Palmerageddon
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    I think your in the right here Icanra.

    You’ve asked Halo multiple times, nicely, without turning to violence at all.

    You’ve noted that he has broken the rules & you’ve now warned him also several times that you will take action if he does not remove the claims he has near your settlement, infact, not near, but next to & around.

     

    I believe the mods will take note of this & will sort this out for you, I do not like this behaviour at all & would not stand it either.

     

    Many new crews have recently built structures so close to claims (including my own) that I am biting my tongue every time they expand it further & further. I do wish to see that the claims & building laws are enforced in these times, as it is becoming increasingly frustrating.

     

    -Palmer

     

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    #36007
    Icanra
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    Thanks palm, glad to see that i am not seen as in the wrong here 🙂

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    #36010
    OfficialRS
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    @Palmerageddon Isn’t this quite like how @NickyB_123 had built his fort right next to my town, for hostile purposes, cannons aimed at my city and without my permission-and on top of that, after the conflict was nicely asked to remove it ingame and on the forums…

    Now from hearing a similar case from a peer you must be able to see my frustration and how vital the removal of the fort is to me?-And the case doesn’t change just because of it’s current status as a ‘memorial’

    And @Icanra that does seem quite annoying but that town seems highly contested and Halo has claimed significantly more land than you there; building there must be awkward, I would suggest working out an agreement to half the city or something with a wall dividing it.

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    #36013
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    This happened with Zee_King_Bee and I, I owned a chunk, recently cleared by Nicky, and he had a tiny claim, he argued that he claimed it all along, and claimed a little more, to this day, like 3 months later, he’s done nothing there -_-

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    #36018
    Xeron
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    @icanra Can’t you just build a wall dividing the part you own from halobearer’s? I mean, it does not solve all the issues, but if you get the western part, and he gets the east. This leaves you space to expand again in the summer.

    As for some of the remarks made from BleachWithGluten, quite rude. Maybe not offences worth a warning, but I think an apology needs to be made here once this has been sorted out. I mean, pirate RP and all that, but this is a new level of intimidation.


    @officialRS
    I’m surprised that that place is still there. I did tell you that I would try and get it removed, and I did request this from the LoN after the war. Nick has the final say though.

    Also, Icanras situation is not as straight forward as an outpost used for bombardment during a war. Both sides have a right to have the town, while you have the full right to the outpost (so I hope it gets removed). It’s the complicated case of inactive players returning to land that was no longer theirs on paper. Also KingRS, you have a mountain half-blocking the view of the outpost, and its about 20 blocks away. Icanra has the equivalent  my fortress (not as high but you get the idea) 9 blocks away from the entrance of Palivadia (sorry if I spelt it wrong).


    @build1115
    I’ll have a chat to zee about that. Generally it’s against the rules to claim land not intended for use (thus obstruction). No promices but I’ll see if he can remove it. If not, you may be able to get one of the admins to remove it, if it is indeed obstructing a build, and has nothing in it.

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 5 months ago by Xeron.

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    #36022
    NickyB_123
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    @MaximusTerragon I love you.

    @OfficalRS I had it there as incentive to demilitarize Verrusia and prevent further conflicts from the country. Used as a point of leverage, That fortification proved useful in fulfilling that purpose. Now that VE has calmed down, and summer is upon us, I will remove the fortification there if you can show me a place on your island on the outskirts of Verussia, in which I can build a less daunting/invasive one.  Would this area work?

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    #36023
    NickyB_123
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    Why do I want the space you may ask? I am ready to put the past behind us and wish build a small trading post and dock to trade with Verussians. I also want to build a proper memorial to those that fought in the Second Verussian War.

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    #36025
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    I must say that this would make any attorney proud.  🙂  Very well documented, with legal references and all.  If I were a judge (and I’m not I know, where the Hague when you need it?) I would have to rule in Icanra, unless there was some compelling countering statements from the defendant, er, other party.  And the point of turning is this – Halo left the crew, left the building he was working on, hence a de facto abandonment, of the crew and the claim, since it was a shared effort. No hard feelings against Halo, but, just working with the facts here.

    BUT, this is just my simple little opinion, for what its worth.

    So, some solutions,

    1. Somebody buys somebody out, whoever wants it the most, time and materials have value
    2. Re-form a new crew
    3. Learn to live together nice and cozy-like. 🙂
    4. Both sell to an impartial third party

    There may be better solutions, but that’s the best I got.

    Good luck all.

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    #36027
    The Queen
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    Every nation loves there land indeed 🙂

     

    Stealing land that does not belong to one, does not show honor or try to gain respect as a growing nation. You must prove yourselves . I find it rather low to steal land and not return it.

    This has happened to me way to often, finds a way to end it in a good manor.

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    #36050
    Palmerageddon
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    @officalrs

    Sorry.

    I do realise now why that may frustrate you.

    As you can see,  Nicky has said he was going to remove it but I think a monument to the wars & peacetime would be a good idea.

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    #36051
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    Well @icanra it’s up to you now. We outlined what you could do, as in fact you own the rights to the part that was claimed by gildor.

    Now, me and Kanube have both posted possible resolutions to this problem. You both want the town, or at least halo wants it and you own it.

    Its up to you to do the talking, we can back you, but we can’t do it for you. If you do choose to build a wall, ask halo to remove the wall he was building around your place, and build a new wall on the edge of Gildors claim. This way you have control over your wall.

    If by any means he rejects having a new wall, or even removing his (or any other terms), then that’s just being full out disrespectful, and I’m sure most of us here can back you up.

    Once you have built your wall, that will clearly separate his crew from yours, then you can both ignore the “no claiming next to another claim unless all parties agree” rule, as you would have both agreed to new borders.

    <span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> If however, he does start claiming around your town again, then you can for sure report this and get admins involved as this would indeed be breaking the rules. Same goes for harassment or one of his crew being rude (cough cough Bleachwithgluten).</span>

    Even if you do chose to a different solution that still involves you keeping the town, I recommend you start on square one with halo. Let this quarrel be in the past, and look toward better times. Obviously if you don’t get better times, such as harassment, then get admins involved.

     

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    #36056
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    *coff coff*

    I would apologize in advance in case my english isn’t as good as I would like, and I hope I’ll write in a quite understandable way.
    Ready or not, here I come. I’d like to thank Icanra for finally giving this issue an actual shape.
    All what I heard before this post was, sorry for the term, quite non-sense to my ears. Here I’ll explain why.
    Once upon a time there was a quite cool crew named TEE, The Endorien Empire. I gladly recall it as the first crew I joined when I was a deckhand. It was ruled by a nice guy (whose name, I am sorry, I do not remember), with gildor_stinky being one of the co-leaders. That empire owned Whiteridge (the town being the issue here) and all the land that spans between that town and the sea (on the map Icanra shows, the land I am trying to defend with walls). Whiteridge was claimed by Gildor, and partially by one of the TEE builders, xElitaa, which now is the co-leader of my faction. Now, after joining TEE, and after some time spent living in that town, I started the construction of my own castle (green-marked on Icanra’s map). All went just fine, the crew was going well, and it seemed like a story with a happy ending.

    Happens that I had to leave the server for a while, because of real-life problems which I’ll leave out here. Now, I came back after a considerable amount of time, having no clue of what could have happened while I was away. I was happy to see my claim being intact, not so happy to find out TEE was disbanded. I joined Icanra’s crew to have a place where to stay while I would think about what to do next. I found out Icanra lived in that town, and I was happy to have a neighbour. Since there was nothing left in the area, I decided to start a new faction to rebuild the old TEE peninsula and to defend it, hence was born CC, TheDefenders (My actual crew, formed after leaving Icanra’s). Since Gildor owned most of the claims in the area, I asked him if it was ok if I started to live with my crew in the old TEE territories, and after he accepted (no screens to show, how could I imagine it would all go this way?) I started the building of Crown Castle (The big castle shown in the map). Gildor had nothing to say against that building, and since the claims around that area were his property, I built knowing it was all right. I had no clue I was going against any rule: if the owner of the claim agrees, why not?

    After a couple of weeks of construction, Icanra shows up and immediatly asks me to “move” the castle. Even if it was possible to “move” a 90×90 castle, what right had Icanra to tell me what to do? I tried to understand, but there were none of his claim in the area, and the castle was basically complete. Icanra started to keep messaging me about that, saying that “gildor sold it to me”. I had no clue about what he was talking about: I checked many times, but claims were still gildor’s! After a few days, he started threatening us, saying that “if you dont move i will take action”. That is what made me starting to play in a more active way, planning to actually militarily defend my land, fearing that somehow he would start attacks and sieges. At the same time, that is what made me thinking of a different solution, in which we would live all happy and not hating each others. I tried to persuade him to cooperate with us, tried to play along and asked to “buy back the town” (Here I’d like to point out that I do not consider that a valid concept). Every time I recieved the same kinda repetitive and pedantic answers: you have to leave.

    Now, I am ready to cooperate with you, Icanra, and I am ready to better explain the situation in every way I can. I spent countless hours of gameplay to keep that project going on, and I would be very heartbroken to see it all washed away by that issue.
    I do not recognize my intentions in BleachWithGluten’s words, nor I recognize my behaviour. I’ll have to talk with him about that behaviour, because I am responsible for his actions.

    To who thinks I stole that land: It was and is my house. How could I steal something that’s mine?

    To who likes legal things: The owner of the claims I built close to agreed about that project, hence no official rules were broken.

    And to who would like to cooperate: I am open to any alternative.

    I’ll try to keep up with any doubt concerning that situation, always open to discussion.

    -HaloBearer98
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    Quick edit: The wall west of the town is an original defence of Whiteridge, not built by me. Mine is (and unclaimed) the wall built south of the town.

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    #36060
    Palmerageddon
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    You missed out the part how you have built a wall around Icanra, even though he asked you several times not to do that.

    TBH, @gildor can you please say something on this.

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    #36062
    HaloBearer98
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    Yeah sorry, I added the details in the edit on the bottom of the reply.
    In addition to that, I’d like to point out that the project for the wall was started before all this mess with Icanra, and that it has no “aggressive” purposes

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