/Back in PvP: Clarification?

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April 29, 2016 at 5:53 pm #33627
PaulOnFire
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Ok people, I want to open a discussion on a topic that keeps on cropping up.

It has long been disallowed to /sethome right next to another player for /siege purposes. Likewise using /back to kill players or return to their bases has resulted in warnings in the past. /back is meant to be used soley for PVE as far as I have always interpreted:

But what is /back for then GodsDead?

Back is for getting back to the place you died in a PVE environment, Player VS Environment, Falling off a cliff, getting mauled by a sheep, Blowing yourself up in a TNT trap you are making.

Texter495 /back Abusing

Java Invader and CoV /back abuse

http://piratemc.com/topic/gen_ben-abusing-back/
http://piratemc.com/topic/gen-ben-abusing-back-too-often-now/

[Donator discussion] /back abuse & adding a cooldown.

Today is a prime example. I’ve been working on server infrastructure during the past few days, such as a currently 2’000 block long road network in the north and a free fully automated wheat farm for deckies near spawn. People have noticed me as a target during this time, what with me prancing about in the open wearing crappy captain gear. I’ve managed to escape over a good half dozen planned attacks so far! And three times I wasn’t quite so vigilant… 🙁

Anyway, after hours of building I was cleaning up the last of my construction mess when I noticed an invisible diamond player sneaking around. Daniel_McLachlen was the only invisible player online according to the live map and a /near check proved this. So I warped home to sort my stuff while he idled around.

Anyway, long story cut short – I returned /home to check if he was still around and /near showed that he wasn’t. So I decided to get back to work in my claim… And 10 seconds later he /backed on top of me.

Now, I’m not complaining about being hunted down and robbed. I would find the server terribly boring if there was no danger at all! What bugs me is that this seems to be in breach of general common sense/harassment standards and not officially written in the rule list.

It could be that I’m in the wrong and have misunderstood what is and what is not allowed using /back and /sethome. Even if, I feel this topic needs to be clarified for once and all, because it keeps resulting in a lot of unnecessary drama.

Note: I am not trying to get Daniel punished or warned in any way. I am thankful that he did this so we can discuss it here on the forums in a civil manner. 😛
April 29, 2016 at 6:19 pm #33632
Joe
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I think I might be a good reference for this sort of situation.. It’s taken me 2 official warnings to properly learn the rules

The first time I sethome near Cysteen for hostile purposes but thought if I did it far away there would be no issue, wrong. You’re not allowed to sethome for hostile purposes under ANY circumstance.

The second time I thought, okay I’m not allowed to set a random home so I will build a home, claim it and /sethome and I thought this too would be okay, wrong. Again under no circumstance are you allowed to /sethome even if you have built and claimed a home, if it is for hostile purposes.

Hopefully nobody else will make the same mistakes as me haha 🙂

But where /back is concerned I don’t think there are any regulations in place to prevent people using it for hostile purposes, it just depends whether the attacks you have been getting would constitute harassment?

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April 29, 2016 at 7:32 pm #33638
Sting
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Hrmh this really is an issue and something concerning this happened today to me.
Around noon DCRebel tried atacking me.
Witcher_geralt saw it on the map and we both teamed up in my base to get him when he atacked me.
As soon as he saw Witcher DCrebel logged out right outside my base.
Witcher had to pretend to log out himself before DC would log back on.

In the end we got him but battlelogging leads to the same issues as /back in PVP.
As far as i know battlelogging is forbidden and my suggestion is that we apply the same rules to /back.
April 29, 2016 at 7:58 pm #33639
souldin
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Ok so the /back has been a topic open on a report for some time. this has been talking about with the staff. there are no rules for /back with PVP per the staff. The rules on the website do not say anything about /back you are more then welcome to read the rules at http://piratemc.com/information/rules/

This topic has been on going for some time.

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April 29, 2016 at 8:45 pm #33642
The Queen
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Yeah but /back ABUSE is a thing but it to piggy back off of juice here, you can /back to a location..but if you die or somthing and /back for your stuff that could be considered abuse if I am wrong?

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April 29, 2016 at 8:48 pm #33643
souldin
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ok again now. There are no rules on /back its more of a Moral thing to /back and pick up your stuff and run if you /back to keep fighting is different.

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April 29, 2016 at 8:53 pm #33644
The Queen
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Ah, I get where your coming from now, that makes more sense now.

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April 29, 2016 at 8:56 pm #33645
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Ok, so let me start with what I’ve heard from various sources… Keep in mind I hear this mostly from players, NOT from staff…

1. /back is not allowed to get your stuff back
2. /back is not allowed to re-equip and go back to fight
3. /back is not allowed to be used after a PvP death
4. /back is not allowed to be used to get back into someone’s base
5. /back is not allowed to be used to return to a previous location for raiding
6. /back is not allowed to be used to ‘camp’ a location
7. /back is not allowed unless you die to PvE
8. /back is not allowed … (insert stupid rule here) …

I’m an admin, and I can’t define /back abuse. Suffice it to say we seem unable to agree on a definition of /back abuse.

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April 29, 2016 at 8:59 pm #33646
PaulOnFire
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This is why we are discussing this here, souldin. As Joe mentioned, the rules don’t say anything about raiding with /sethome either. Nonetheless, it isn’t allowed. They aren’t all-encompassing.

As in all the links I posted, people have been having problems with /back as an unbalanced mechanic for a while now. Is it fair to be able to teleport right on top of someone in their own territory, as if you’d made a /sethome there? /back unlike /sethome can be done inside someone’s base.

I quoted Godsy before on a sensible usage of /back, that it should be used n PvE. If the staff does decide that /back can be used in PvP, then so be it. At least we then have an official stance at long last.
April 29, 2016 at 9:50 pm #33647
souldin
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You know i must say it now. I am getting tired of every day seeing people complain about all of this.. ooo i died its not fair some one help call staff. quit run to the forums. this is a game. THIS IS ALSO A PVP SERVER. i mean its every day now. this all needs to stop all your are doing is annoying some of the PVPers on this server witch in return is going to make us hunt you for fun. its a /back it is offered from donating to this server, yes people dont have it, and people do, the sad thing about this is no matter what people who post on this forum about this, im really sure have do the /back and using it in the way you are complaining about and they think its ok, until it happens to them. at this point its either complain about dieing, complain about /back, complain that you cant do anything because someone is all ways killing you. complain that at events crews are killing everyone. why cant everyone just play the game everyone will die in this game everyone will get sieged in this game. this happens to all players its the game. now im not trying to upset anyone with this post im just making a point this server cant go a day without someone complaining about something. lets all just play the game.

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April 29, 2016 at 9:54 pm #33648
souldin
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also sens we are talking about this how about this. MCshovel put

8. /back is not allowed…. (insert stupid rule here)….

So guess dont use it 😛 and if you dont get that well idk what to tell you.

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April 29, 2016 at 9:55 pm #33650
MCShovel
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@Souldin,

The original post wasn’t about a complaint:

Ok people, I want to open a discussion on a topic that keeps on cropping up.

He was just seeking clarification. Unfortunately I don’t have any to offer.

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April 29, 2016 at 9:59 pm #33654
souldin
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so to clarify there are no written rules….. 😛

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April 29, 2016 at 10:27 pm #33660
PaulOnFire
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I don’t want to spill fuel on the fire, but it really grinds my gears when people don’t read posts properly. I am in NO WAY complaining about PvP in general. In the past I have even ADVOCATED NOT having PvP-free areas. Heck, I’ve even defended warp killers before. PirateCraft needs PvP, but it also needs to promote co-existence so everyone can enjoy the game.

PvPers and non-PvPers alike are both guilty of being inconsiderate spam fritters more often than not.

-o- Many PvPers constantly belittle anyone who stands up against rotten behaviour and dismiss serious issues as whining “because it’s a PvP server, lulz.” This lazy attitude stinks to high heaven and needs to be addressed pronto.
-o- Many non-PvPers think that because they don’t like PvPing they have the right not to be raided or injured in any shape or form. Any form of conflict instantly becomes a harassment case of diva-like proportions. Well, PvPers come to this server to be pirates, and pirates need fodder. If you want to be untouchable, work to become untouchable!

Sooooo, hurrah for drama. I guess I’ve managed to let off some steam now… No offence intended towards anyone in particular. I’d appreciate some constructive thoughts and opinions on how to address the topic at hand.
April 29, 2016 at 10:41 pm #33664
souldin
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Paul i must say i agree with what you just said. you said it perfectly.

For bolth sides

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