[Report] JavaInvader Harassment
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November 8, 2017 at 5:06 pm #54509
My Username: {Browe_}
Player(s) Being Reported.
Username: {Javainvader}
UUID: {64c79cf8-f9f0-4735-bc2b-6c668d6572bd}
Punishment Tracker URL: http://bans.piratemc.com/javainvaderReason for Report (please select as needed)
{harassing}Overview Description of Report
{Javainvader has repeatedly and aggressively claimed around London, under the guise of ‘legitimate expansion’, explicitly stating his intention to harry and intimidate. He has bullied players into unclaiming their land, consciously abused the privilege of being staff for his own gain, disrespected both players and senior staff alike and perpetuated a conflict that would otherwise not have existed.}
Detailed Information
{In early May I began work on a canal between Cove and London. Large portions of the build were claimed to prevent players griefing the canal, but both ends were left freely accesible to players and some members of the build team/Tas terraformed the area and built server bridges across it.
However, the canal followed the course of a natural river, which ran behind what is now Javainvader’s base. The existing unclaimed river and archway were widened by 5 blocks to allow ships to pass through, but this portion was left unclaimed out of respect for Java’s claim.
Java took advantage of this and his response was to aggressively expand his claim towards London, erecting a gate across the canal and expanding across the river to a second mountain (which had previously been a natural barrier between the two bases) to build a wall of cannons overlooking the city.
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‘Claiming land can’t be used as a tool or weapon against someone else’.
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Java told me that I would be allowed to use the canal if I paid a monthly tax to him. To avoid further conflict, I dug a new canal further from Javas base, directly adjacent to my own claims. This time, I made sure to claim it to prevent Java from blocking it again. At this time Smokey and Max stepped in, I was happy to see they removed my claim so that they could admin claim it. This created a no mans land and while we still had to build under the regular bombardment of Java’s Cannon wall, at least the issue was put to rest.
However, still intent on antagonising us, Java blocked the admin claimed canal with a statue of Trump which he locked in place. Max kindly moved the statue.
Recently, things have deteriorated as Java continues to harass and intimidate players. Java came into conflict with players and senior staff, being abusive in chat and showing little regard for the server and rules.
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‘Respect other players. If you’re angry against a player, use a pirate insult, nothing else.’
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On two occasions, BentheBruce was forced to remove claims by Java.
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Java has started a new expansion, explicitly stating his intention to provoke London residents.
‘Claiming land can’t be used as a tool or weapon against someone else’.
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The following map shows the layout of claims and expansions.
The Red region indicates Java’s initial claim. The Blue region indicates London claims. The Yellow region indicates the new claims made by Java (including areas where Benthebruce or myself had claims removed). The Green indicates the second expansion by Java.
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Evidence
{Embedded in the description}History:
~ Former Admiral in the British Empire ~
~ Founder of Phantom ~
~ Co-Founder of Templars ~
~ Original owner of HMS Sovereign (Phantom Sovereign) ~November 8, 2017 at 5:11 pm #54510AgreedNovember 8, 2017 at 5:19 pm #54511I would like to clarify that the [Discord] message from Java insulting Max was made after max temp banned Java for his behavior. As such, I believe it is an abuse of staff powers to bypass a ban in addition to insulting a staff member and not respecting their decision to temp ban (oddly because he wanted a perm ban).
benthebruce
Prime Minster
British EmpireNovember 8, 2017 at 5:53 pm #54512Before anyone goes pointing fingers at java, it might serve browe well to look down at his own dirty hands too. If you consider Java abusing his position, he is only trying to defend himself. Though yes he has done it quite verbally at times, he also was not the instigator or rule breaker. Let me make something clear, TAS, River, and Cysteen, the two people who terraformed on the canal are appalled at Browe’s actions. The reason they terraformed was because Browe used his build team position to go through two server roads which are admin claimed and not to be altered, without permission to make his canal. He never fixed them and left them broken. Finally River and Cysteen got tired of looking at the broken roads that Browe cared little about and fixed them on their own with permission from admins. Browe abused his powers to make this canal, this has been agreed upon by admin level staff. The small canal he claims to have made behind javas base cut his mountain in half. Which was partially unclaimed because he reduced his claim, at his own expense, to help when admin claims disappeared around map. Browe would not have been able to build the canal were it not for Java helping the server. He went beyond what is asked of a moderator to help. You are not supposed to build up against someones claim, it is a direct violation of the rules. Browe using his staff position to destroy admin claims, and then build against Java’s claim, is illegal.
Now I am not saying there hasn’t been people crossing the line on both sides since this started, but Java is only doing it because his base, which was there before London was made, is now being harassed. I record all my game time. I can prove that certain claims Browe says he had near the canal, were not there before the canal. Even if they were, they are still in violations of the rules. So I would rather not sift through hours and hours of gameplay from weeks ago to find the couple times I went around Java’s base with multiple staff looking for claims.
Multiple BE members since the canal was built have made claims all around Javas base. Small claims just to prevent him from reclaiming his land. This is illegal and they were removed. Players made giant walls to obstruct Javas base. This is illegal and was removed. Java is not using his claim land as a weapon, his base was already there. He’s building defenses from the BE tide. But BE, certainly has used claims as a weapon and tool. These threats Java has made were to players breaking the rules and making claims to trap java or provoke him. Which is against rule number 10, No offensive structures. One of which was created just to write large letters outside his base. A similar case occurred a year or to back and it was deemed illegal. From my point of view, an outside view that has been keeping up to date and was involved for many of the talks between Java, Max, and such in TS, I know Java has not approached this in the calmest of manners. But how would you feel if someone were to mine most of the land around London and claim it as their own. London would become boxed in, and angry like a caged animal. Much like a certain moderator who isn’t being given respect for his position, or for the fact that he’s enforcing the rules. Ignoring a moderator for any reason is violation of rule number 2, respect staff and listen to them, and anything any member of staff says, goes.
In short, both sides are guilty in some ways. Java has been a bit hot headed seeing rule after rule being broken for BE and London by Browe. Do remember, Browe was the one who abused his position. Not Java. Did java destroy admin claims without permission for his crew’s personal gain? Which this server exclusively states it will not give advantages to any one crew. So by the rules, which everyone must play by, Browe and BE are the ones who deserve to be accused of harassment and abusing staff positions.November 8, 2017 at 5:54 pm #54513So before i say anything i would just like to say i know i would have bais veiws as i am an ally with java and not on great terms with BE, same as BE members posting would be bais towards BE. I am going to try to keep this unbais/truthful but i would just like to point out a few problems i immediatly see from this post. I am not staff so this is my own Opinion and just adding my thoughts to this.
So first problem i see is yous have expanded towards where javas claims are, Now i can agree that both sides have expanded towards each other and i can agree neither side are angels right now but one thing that is very clear is both parties have expanded towards each other in the aim to expand their builds. BE would like to make a port to store their navy, and java wants to expand his base. So to write a report on someone who is expanding there base agressivly towards the expansions you are currently building towards there base is a bit hypocritical but once again this is my own opinion.
As for java being abusive towards players i can agree, from the screen shots shown i can agree with yous the way java acted was not the way he should of but lets take that 4th screen shot you posted of the argument between java and Bislo (The Priminister of BE) if i am not mistaken (this could be a different situation but i think it is the one i am thinking off) did Bislo, The Priminister and bassicly face of BE not respond in a very racial way and use terms that should really not be used to anyone never mind across the internet?.
I am not trying to start any arguments but i am just trying to point out that this is a inccident that both sides are wrong in what they are doing and there really was not much of a need for a report when your side is doing roughly the same stuff back to java.
November 8, 2017 at 6:19 pm #54514British expansion hasn’t been to harass java; it has been for expansions sake. London is an ever growing town, and naturally, needs more room to accommodate builds. Its understandable that java feels threatened by it, I would too.
Claims in this disputed middle ground have been removed by java, even though the intention is in each and every case to build peacefully. Let me make that clear; BE claims intended for peaceful, attractive builds are being removed. Java’s claims, which are being used to harass and attack London, using dozens of cannons, are being expanded where the BE claims once stood. That is illegal. No ifs, no buts.
I’ve seen Java brag many times about how annoying his actions are, and how they are intended to frustrate the BE. He’s making no attempt to disguise their use as legitimate, and while anyone can empathise with someone who feels surrounded, the real threat here is to those who’ve needlessly had their own claims removed to fulfil Java’s own personal ambitions.
To use staff powers for personal gain or for personal vendettas is wrong, and I expect staff to deal with it appropriately.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.November 8, 2017 at 6:32 pm #54517Naha you position is totally biased – at least acknowledge it as Turkey has done. Your post seems more of a personal attack on me and the BE based on hearsay rather than on any evidence.
- Your post is littered with inaccuracies, either due to misinformation or perjury. I’m also not sure hearing Javas side of the story makes you an expert in all this Naha, given its inherent bias.
- I’m sorry to repeat myself but in the report I made clear the canal was started in May, (I was in china for the summer so it can’t have been any later than the 28th of June), and the river was at the very least unclaimed from then until month ago. There were no claims and Java made no attempt in this time to reclaim the land.
- This ‘wall to block java base’ was built two rivers and a mountain away from Javas original base, along the blue line indicated on the map in my first post. It was built to block the 50 cannon wall Java built overlooking our port. It was entirely defensive, and I’m unsure how this is worthy of any vilification.
- And by ‘Offensive structure’ do you mean the words ‘Clinton if Life’ Snap built within BE land, opposite the enormous state of trump and wall of cannons which is a recent and new claim of Java’s 15 blocks from London?
While those roads are entirely irrelevant to the issue with Java, I’ll respond regardless. The canal did pass through two server roads, such is the nature of having an old base close to the original spawn. Ironically, you fail to mention that TAS was protesting against these same roads only a short while ago because they gave the BE an unfair advantage and Godsy was considering removing them entirely as a result. The road nearest to London was unclaimed when I made the canal, and the bridge was in the process of being modified when when Cysteen and River took over. It was never intended to be left, you make it sound like they were abandoned for months when the canal was, in fact, still being finished, and to be used as a public waterway, as useful to the server as the roads.
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Turkey, I understand what you are saying but my point is Java has expanded not for his own purpose but has explicitly stated that it is to provoke and harass London.
When is it appropriate for staff to belittle and insult players? Staff should not be above the rules they are enforcing on others.
History:
~ Former Admiral in the British Empire ~
~ Founder of Phantom ~
~ Co-Founder of Templars ~
~ Original owner of HMS Sovereign (Phantom Sovereign) ~November 8, 2017 at 7:00 pm #54518Mans can never be hoh
~ xMadMonkey ~
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~ Mememaster since 1969 ~
November 8, 2017 at 7:28 pm #54523The admins and moderators are reading over this and a staff decision will be made to clear up this entire situation. As for now I think with the replies listed and what we have witnessed on the server we have a good understanding of what has occurred. I personally will make sure there is no bias on either side for our final say on this.
A decision will be made very soon.
Current:
~ A real pirate I guess. ~
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~ Rear Admiral of PirateCraft ~
~ Leader of The Coalition ~
~ Member of The Asylum ~
~ Co-Leader of The Seagulls ~
~ Deckie of Angels ~November 8, 2017 at 9:31 pm #54528*Trying to be unbiased as possible*
Dear Browe,
Hi! It’s me again! Your favorite player! (I didn’t know how to start this.) I do agree with you that Java has been abusive in multiple ways, and (to Flea) could possibly be hacking. One thing that you did bring up though is about Java making a defensive cannon wall and blocking off the original canal. In Java’s defense (bias alert) he had every right to do this since you were building so close to his base.
Here is the proof:
Read the description of the Imgur image for more info.
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Regarding the Trump Statue to block the admin claim; There is not much to say. This is very inappropriate for a staff member to do this, especially a long-term player, who (hopefully) knows all the rules by now.
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Java forcing BenTheBruce to remove claims: The claims that Java forced Ben to remove looks like it is close to his base that has been there for 3 years, I’d say. That warning that Java gave Ben is absurd though and absolutely unnecessary. I know there is no way to really remove warnings, but I hope that does not count for Ben in the future.
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Java’s new expansion/city project: Well, ok then. Obviously, this is completely illegal and should be removed if it has not already.
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In conclusion, my opinion is that most of the decisions Java had made in the past month are unresponsible and should be punished accordingly, especially for a staff member. Fyi everyone, I just made this response to give my input if staff need some more on the current canal/Java situation.
Your Bestie, River
P.S. About the server roads, TAS & CLTN did not want the roads removed completely. It is a great way for new and normal players to explore, find interesting landmarks, and find a nice civilization to settle in to. Our argument on that position was that the roads should not be PvP free, they should have PvP enabled. That gave BE an unfair advantage because when attacked they or anyone could just run on to the PvP free road if not tagged or engaged in combat. (BEEP BEEP BIAS) Also, while building your canal you did plow through two server roads, without asking for permission. That is a bit irresponsible on your part. And yes, ArtificialDemon and I did clean up your mess and fix both of the bridges and made them retractable. So yes, the canal still is functional because you can just retract the bridges.
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November 8, 2017 at 9:43 pm #54530*Trying to be unbiased as possible* Dear Browe, Hi! It’s me again! Your favorite player! (I didn’t know how to start this.) I do agree with you that Java has been abusive in multiple ways, and (to Flea) could possibly be hacking. One thing that you did bring up though is about Java making a defensive cannon wall and blocking off the original canal. In Java’s defense (bias alert) he had every right to do this since you were building so close to his base. Here is the proof: Read the description of the Imgur image for more info. https://imgur.com/a/6za7p ———————————————- Regarding the Trump Statue to block the admin claim; There is not much to say. This is very inappropriate for a staff member to do this, especially a long-term player, who (hopefully) knows all the rules by now. ———————————————- Java forcing BenTheBruce to remove claims: The claims that Java forced Ben to remove looks like it is close to his base that has been there for 3 years, I’d say. That warning that Java gave Ben is absurd though and absolutely unnecessary. I know there is no way to really remove warnings, but I hope that does not count for Ben in the future. ———————————————- Java’s new expansion/city project: Well, ok then. Obviously, this is completely illegal and should be removed if it has not already. ———————————————- In conclusion, my opinion is that most of the decisions Java had made in the past month are unresponsible and should be punished accordingly, especially for a staff member. Fyi everyone, I just made this response to give my input if staff need some more on the current canal/Java situation. Your Bestie, River P.S. About the server roads, TAS & CLTN did not want the roads removed completely. It is a great way for new and normal players to explore, find interesting landmarks, and find a nice civilization to settle in to. Our argument on that position was that the roads should not be PvP free, they should have PvP enabled. That gave BE an unfair advantage because when attacked they or anyone could just run on to the PvP free road if not tagged or engaged in combat. (BEEP BEEP BIAS) Also, while building your canal you did plow through two server roads, without asking for permission. That is a bit irresponsible on your part. And yes, ArtificialDemon and I did clean up your mess and fix both of the bridges and made them retractable. So yes, the canal still is functional because you can just retract the bridges.
river’s brain started working omg!!! see this is why you should go to school more often <3
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November 8, 2017 at 9:51 pm #54534Building/mining/greifing through unclaimed land however close to someones base has never been illegal. There are countless examples where this is the case including Phantom Island/MadMonkeys base, both were griefed legally. Again, you fail to mention that not all that many months ago TAS dug a large, claimed canal next to an existing Apple city, deemed legal.
I was aware the canal ran close to Javas and for that reason it was left unclaimed. When he kicked up a fuss it was redirected, without drama, further from his base. The only reason it was ever so close was because it followed the natural course of the existing river. In your screenshots that long stretch of stone through the middle of the screen was put there by me to evidence the extent to which Java expanded to construct his wall of cannons within 20 blocks of London.
Again, given that one of the roads was unclaimed and the other in the process of being redesigned the fact that I ‘plowed through’ and made a ‘mess’ of them is a moot point, particularly as the canal was built as a public waterway and intended to compliment the existing server roads.
History:
~ Former Admiral in the British Empire ~
~ Founder of Phantom ~
~ Co-Founder of Templars ~
~ Original owner of HMS Sovereign (Phantom Sovereign) ~November 8, 2017 at 10:15 pm #54541This sounds all Jedi like, aha, use your powers to protect the weak, rather than to serve yourself.
Anyway, having not been on the server for something a while, no one can moan at me for not being able to make an informed judgement as your the people making the cases, not a stab at anyone yet at all, neither bias as I have nothing to gain from either side, the only thing that could be could be slightly bias is that Max being a friend.
I look at river’s response as the most balanced of everyone, she clearly highlights the points that Java can be criticised of:
- that being him forcing ben to unclaim.
- an obvious protest at the canal which led to him building a trump statue.
- and his obvious new plan to expand his city as a good reason to prevent the expansion of London.
Though I can sympathise with him not wanting his peace and quiet to be interrupted with the aroma of crumpets and Boris Johnson, as I can surely relate to as it is annoying to find that someone decided to build on a piece of land nearby, without taking the proper look about (not a criticism of BE as their build right now is more of a community build, rather than one that is being used for, well I couldn’t really write anything non-relating to gain, as they have shops, warships and it would give some political leverage…) which more often than not on this server, has ended in conflict of sorts. However, in my case, either someone got pissed at me the once (that being DavyJonesLocker back in the day, though they were more annoyed at my crew name being ‘Imperial Empire’ a nod to Star Wars than an actual description or act of me saying ‘my crew is the best’ to everyone.) and every other time, as in Apple’s crew’s case who had set up base right slap next to my canal I was building (for the good of the server, so people didn’t have to use no longer active ‘Gordy’s Gate’, who basically capitalised off of sea traffic from the cove from diamonds, which luckily for me, I’ve only used the once, but on someone else’s boat but not my diamond, so I guess I didn’t use it really :/) but I did make an effort to work things out, and despite there being pretty much no way of it being built now (because 1 I can get on the server right now) but due to a claim being in the way, which isn’t Apple’s fault, he still wanted to work with me.
To be honest, I don’t know what the point I am trying to make, and all that baloney of wanting to make an informed judgement was probably turned into slightly borderline crap. But I do think Java should have a look at his actions, and maybe change his way of thinking before, something bad really gets at him.
He is a very influential player, and I can rarely remember a time on PirateCraft he bothered me, mainly because I like to keep out of all the PvP related malarkey and try and build myself my first actual home on the server (yep, 2 something years of playing, has produced a vault, but no actual above ground house I can call ‘My house’), and why he can’t just let this slide and look to the vastness of piratecraft and call some new place home, his influence could most likely build something maybe better than crumpet town (ha, no insult but I’m going to use that now when I refer to London now on PC, but seriously guys, great job), but anyway, I guess that’s the end of my thoughts, say what you like about them but I’ll probably come back with a really poorly informed response, maybe? idk, wtf am I doing, I should get on with homework.
November 8, 2017 at 10:30 pm #54546Since all these reports do is end up to be cranky bitching and moaning with bullshit responses @the_network can you close this, seems staff is already discussing this, I think there is enough information here already.
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November 8, 2017 at 11:40 pm #54550Im new to this server, so i have pretty much no say in this situation, but from what ive seen in my months on the server, java has been a good and bad staff member.
He bans cheaters, abusers, and more, but he also gets triggerhappy and decides to mute, warn, ban, and insult other players and staff. he has shown to be abusivly spying on the crew members of Horsia, seen a few days ago. SmiGuy was running through the nether getting glowstone, wondering why Java was in spectator mode, even while not in busy. Then all of a sudden he shows up right in front of smi, invis. he has been in spectator mode a lot while not in busy, and as shown in the screenshots above, screeching at people to remove claims or else he will ban them.
He just abuses his power as staff and i dont think he is fit to be staff.
I dont want to be the bad guy anymore
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