/Back in PvP: Clarification?
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May 3, 2016 at 1:24 pm #33977
Thanks for the support, Godsdead. /back as a function is really useful for getting around, but it’s caused a lot of drama and grief in the past.
In reply to your suggestions:
1. I principally like the idea of this PvP timer.
(+) It completely prevents the most serious cases of harassment through /back abuse.
(-) /back can still be used to camp an area. But only one-time only – at least until five minutes are up… Is this in accordance to the rules or not?
(-) Getting PvP-tagged by accident or punched by an annoying player removes /back for 5 minutes. Ow!I don’t suppose it’s possible to have the timer apply on player who attacks another player, i.e. the player who initiates the timer? This would prevent the annoyance of being grounded for five minutes after getting hit by another player’s shovel while digging for example. And if you don’t fight back when someone attacks you, you get to keep your own /back, but at the expense of being killed. 😛
2. I think this would damage crew integrity more than anything. You can already use alternative communication methods such as TeamSpeak to keep in touch with your fellow crew members, so it wouldn’t necessarily prevent coordinated harassment.
3. The staff needs to enforce the server rules in every scenario. I find it is very important that people can enjoy the game as they want – even if it’s at the material expense of other players (should that happen to be what tickles ones fancy)… We are a pirate server after all. But rule-breaking in any shape or form must not be tolerated without a (verbal) warning at least. The community as a whole must also take on the responsibility of standing up to foul play regardless of whether it’s an annoying a***hole who’s suffering abuse or a very powerful or popular player who’s stepping over the line.
I would find it interesting to hear what some big-time PvPers think of these suggestions! How it would it impact your gameplay?
May 3, 2016 at 2:27 pm #33982@PaulOnFire “/msg godsdead XYZ Abused back!”
Ok where is your proof? .. They have none? Ok so how is this policeable?
Its not, that’s the answer, I did write that up in my reply. The system needs to be automated.
Edit: I have already had someone say “well what about XYZ” as this very specific scenario was not ASKED about in the initial questions, it was left out of the reply I gave, this is EXACTLY why writing up a defined set of rules DOES NOT WORK. as obviously it is impossible to think of every angle, every single possible use. and ideas will contradict.
May 3, 2016 at 2:40 pm #33983you know paul. your comment at the end asking how it will impact your game play as a PVPer. how about we as a crew come show you, how it will change nothing, larges crew like COV who PVP sit and talk about this stuff and how to work around it. It’s what makes us the best crew on this server. and for that we have found 2 ways around using /back to get to you for raiding / sieging and after death that is allowed. so you nagging about this because you dont want this to be a PVP server did nothing but annoy the PVPers.
Good day sir and Happy Hunting.
PS i would lock your chest asap
Souldin1
May 3, 2016 at 3:14 pm #33986Souldin, what a nasty attitude.
I don’t know if it’s the threatening of Paul, the rudeness towards him and others, or just the fact that you openly state that you and your crew is actively making use of ways to get a /back like mechanic to work to your advantage.. I mean, how the heck does that make you the best crew on the server? To know how to surprise-attack someone and steal their stuff? It makes you good at raiding unsuspecting victims, but sure doesn’t make your crew the best at all in my opinion. It doesn’t make you good at PVP either really.. Although I do know that CoV has some of the best PVP’ers, this little trick you are talking about has nothing to do with it.. Killing someone in iron gear whilst you being fully decked has nothing to do with true PVP skill.. it’s an unfair fight, meaning the “hunter” obviously is looking for an easy kill.. I mean, 80-90% of your kills are probably surprise attacks where the opponents haven’t even had the chance to gear up to god with potions and stuff, just like you yourself is equipped with. If they were, then we can talk about a fair PVP fight and should you win it, then I will applaud you for your skill. I’m not saying you should fight like this at all.. But if you claim to be the best at PVP, then you should also fight people who is equally equipped as yourself and not kill half enchanted diamond guys. That does not make you the best, that makes you the one with the best resources to win the battle.
And as far as to claim you are the best because you know how to get to Paul without using /back, that’s just complete horse poo really.. anyone can sneak up on someone, set a home or tp in their mates in order to gain an advantage over the unsuspecting builderboy with no decent armor on, or fighting gear, because he knows you guys are lurking in the shadows and he just want to build, so he is only protecting himself from the wildlife and not you, meaning he is not even expecting to fight you, because he knows you are coming in far superior, so no matter what the fight is lost anyway..
I don’t know what it is with you Souldin, I’ve seen you write on the forums here and there the past month or so now, I have seen some salty yet very bold comments coming from you, but I can truly say now that I think your arrogance has reached the high heavens, and I’m sorry to say, but it’s just annoying and I plead you to put action behind your arrogant display, or just leave the conversation altogether. Paul is simply asking for suggestions how to better the gameplay for everyone incl. yourself, so stop with this “I’m the best of the server, stop annoying me because now I’m coming for you!” crap, please..
Founder of Port Hope
May 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm #33987o please come for me. i hope you do. this is not a threat he ask and he shall receive. now as for you talking all this talk this is a forum post were people can talk. he has expressed his mind as i have done mine. the PVPers of this server feel we cannot PVP here because of the people who cry about it all the time. any time we kill someone or siege there ends up being a forum post or something running to a admin in the game. its getting old. all we see if people trying to remove PVP and make this a PVE server it is talked about in game many times a week. and ill leave it at that.
O and Bislo as you said you are coming for me. i will make it easy for you ill come to. Make sure you lock your chest to.
I mean it is a pirate server so i want that loot in all your chest.
Souldin1
May 3, 2016 at 3:34 pm #33988Ugh, another one of those.. All you want is to make enemies I see, I’ve not once told you I am coming for you, but please do visit.. I’ll have some tea ready for you.
Also, No one in this conversation is wanting a PVE server, It would be so boring.. But its also boring if you equip the best gear of the server and fight a peasant.. There’s no challenge in this AT ALL? please understand that I’m not trying to limit your experience, but when you say you are the best PVP’er of the server whilst hitting on a iron boy, talking a walk with your Diamond V Sword EaterOfSOULZZZ!! fully decked, with 64 Gapples or whatever the best potions is nowadays or some shit like that.. that’s not you being the best.. That’s just you robbing someone… That has nothing to do with PVP skill.. That’s what I’m trying to tell you, so stop claiming you are the best because of ít.
I have no issue with you making my life on the server hell, because I’ve lived with dudes like you for the two years I’ve played here.. so no sweat, do come.. I hope you fall in my traps tho 😉
Founder of Port Hope
May 3, 2016 at 3:46 pm #33990as you can see here at the end of what you wrote. you put. stop annoying me because now im coming for you.
So do not say you did not say something you did say.
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May 3, 2016 at 3:50 pm #33995Souldin, what a nasty attitude. I don’t know if it’s the threatening of Paul, the rudeness towards him and others, or just the fact that you openly state that you and your crew is actively making use of ways to get a /back like mechanic to work to your advantage.. I mean, how the heck does that make you the best crew on the server? To know how to surprise-attack someone and steal their stuff? It makes you good at raiding unsuspecting victims, but sure doesn’t make your crew the best at all in my opinion. It doesn’t make you good at PVP either really.. Although I do know that CoV has some of the best PVP’ers, this little trick you are talking about has nothing to do with it.. Killing someone in iron gear whilst you being fully decked has nothing to do with true PVP skill.. it’s an unfair fight, meaning the “hunter” obviously is looking for an easy kill.. I mean, 80-90% of your kills are probably surprise attacks where the opponents haven’t even had the chance to gear up to god with potions and stuff, just like you yourself is equipped with. If they were, then we can talk about a fair PVP fight and should you win it, then I will applaud you for your skill. I’m not saying you should fight like this at all.. But if you claim to be the best at PVP, then you should also fight people who is equally equipped as yourself and not kill half enchanted diamond guys. That does not make you the best, that makes you the one with the best resources to win the battle. And as far as to claim you are the best because you know how to get to Paul without using /back, that’s just complete horse poo really.. anyone can sneak up on someone, set a home or tp in their mates in order to gain an advantage over the unsuspecting builderboy with no decent armor on, or fighting gear, because he knows you guys are lurking in the shadows and he just want to build, so he is only protecting himself from the wildlife and not you, meaning he is not even expecting to fight you, because he knows you are coming in far superior, so no matter what the fight is lost anyway.. I don’t know what it is with you Souldin, I’ve seen you write on the forums here and there the past month or so now, I have seen some salty yet very bold comments coming from you, but I can truly say now that I think your arrogance has reached the high heavens, and I’m sorry to say, but it’s just annoying and I plead you to put action behind your arrogant display, or just leave the conversation altogether. Paul is simply asking for suggestions how to better the gameplay for everyone incl. yourself, so stop with this “I’m the best of the server, stop annoying me because now I’m coming for you!” crap, please..
As you can see at the end of what you just wrote. you put Stop annoying me because now im coming for you.
so do not say you did not say something you did say.
Souldin1
May 3, 2016 at 3:53 pm #33996Now that we have all said are things. Why dont we all shake hands move on and play the game. Remember guys this is only a game. everyone will have a opinion about things on this server.
Souldin1
May 3, 2016 at 4:31 pm #33998so you nagging about this because you dont want this to be a PVP server did nothing but annoy the PVPers.
Good day sir and Happy Hunting
PS i would lock your chest asapMy chests have always been locked with stone bricks since I first joined the server, thank you very much. I’m not new to PirateCraft.
That question was asked because I am seeking dialogue between BOTH sides. The PvPers and the non-PvPers. Everyone has a right to their opinion, and I feel the PvPers aren’t being properly represented in this discussion. I want to succeed in making the server a better place for everyone.
Time and time again I have stated that I WANT PvP to thrive on this server, so your assumption that I desire some kind of hippie paradise is misplaced and incorrect. If that was the case I wouldn’t have chosen this server as my Minecraft home. Yes people will get annoyed, that is to be expected. But as an intelligent species we have the ability get over our disagreements and work towards something better.
I am disappointed that you seem unwilling to discuss this topic in a serious manner, your previous comments lead me to believe you were prepared to also bring something constructive to the table. I hope you still intend to and only let your frustration get away with you.
May 3, 2016 at 4:35 pm #34002Paul i am not here to fight with anyone. we all talked about what we think. the rules posted by gods needed to be posted no one disagrees with that. Now as players yes it would be nice for the PVPers and the PVEers to sit down and talk and find a common ground on this issue. i would suggest we make a new forum topic and work together on this.
Souldin1
May 3, 2016 at 4:35 pm #34003you know paul. your comment at the end asking how it will impact your game play as a PVPer. how about we as a crew come show you, how it will change nothing, larges crew like COV who PVP sit and talk about this stuff and how to work around it. It’s what makes us the best crew on this server. and for that we have found 2 ways around using /back to get to you for raiding / sieging and after death that is allowed. so you nagging about this because you dont want this to be a PVP server did nothing but annoy the PVPers. Good day sir and Happy Hunting. PS i would lock your chest asap
Seriously?
“we have found 2 ways around using /back to get to you for raiding / sieging and after death that is allowed”
You are deliberately trying to work your way around the rules? I’m actually shocked you have the balls to be so stupid on the forums. Your head is so far up your own arse, I think you can see daylight…
May 3, 2016 at 6:18 pm #34008Crazy in the comment all i am saying is that there are ways to still get back with are not in violation of the rules. this was brought up by a admin you can tpa to a follow raider or crew member. this is so people can understand to not yell out he /backed.
Also you should read this new forum post by the admin staff on this issue.
we have moved on from this issue and i have offered to make a new forum post for all of us to talk about this on. But you still seems to want to keep going at this. so i will end it for you.
Have a good day.
Souldin1
May 3, 2016 at 6:25 pm #34010The conversation here is over. If you want to discuss this further, find me in ts or in game.
Thank you.
"Life is not fair; get used to it."
- Bill GatesMay 3, 2016 at 7:59 pm #34014Im really glad I spent an hour writing that mammoth post, it was really worth the effort and time to write that much thought out details and explain the entire /back situation once and for all. Thank for the support. /s
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