All key debt paid, names we used:

Elo106 2 names
Smokeyriver 1 name
Kauh 2 names
Maximus 2 names
Vertex2go 2 names
Peppy 1 name

Check your echest!

I feel like this forum post is less of an important message, but more of a way to trashtalk each other without having to do it on the server – sort of like embarrassing each other so everybody can see. I really don’t want to get caught in this drama, but when I was in the BE, I never thought there would ever be taxes or anything… No offense but I just don’t like that idea at all.

P.S for people who don’t know who I am, my  in-game name is Kauhy (a.k.a Kau – yes I is neopet ._.)

i have a couple of things to say about this post-

1. this server isnt hating on new players like you, in fact, we were all there where you were. I was sieged by gottalovepunks of all people when i first joined (if u know her u’ll understand) and i got over it. also, a bunch of people called Horsia came over from another server to fight people on here and they overcame the attacks to have a standing on here.

2. the insiding sucks when it happens to you, but thats why people must be VERY selective when they give out permissions at bases. saying people like Hydra should be banned is a bit much, since it’s you who gave out the trust to the person who blew up your base.

3. yea staff regen stuff all the time if you ask them to (nicely ofc) Kauhy and cosmickingjoel are two i can think of off of the top of my head (both of their bases were exploded)

so hope to see you again on the server, and be a little more careful next time 😉

Notice: This post is as a player, not a moderator.

Looks like the posts have slowed down again so I’ll give my final response now.

Before addressing everyone like I did in the last post, I would just like to include a little bit of proof of a player who was being pressured to become a colony after an attack began.

That is just one example of a player we’ve spoken to. So there’s some proof for all those asking for it in addition to Gildor’s talk about colonies that Palmer posted.

Monks: Yeah BE is corrupt in POTC and other pirate cinema. But as for the cool part, they’ve lost that factor.

Kirn (x3): (1) Well would you look at that you wrote more sentences this time. Yeah we’re all hoping Taulov will man up, stop lying to his crew members, and return everything he took from Kauhy. As for the colonies, offering players assistance for the price of 1 gold bar a week isn’t bad at all. But that’s not how this is working is it. People are being sieged and attacked immediately to be persuaded into having the label of colony and paying a larger price than that I’m sure. Do people really need to make your crew happy? Can’t they just be their own crew and pay you for help when they need it? Not sure what rambling on about irl has to do with all that but ok? Also as seen above in the screenshot from River, it doesn’t look like BE is just talking it out with people. Looks to us like you’re doing exactly what we were saying, attacking someone repeatedly and pressuring them into colonization.
(2) Being corrupt is one thing, bullying small crews into your plan is another.
(3) What humor? What context? All your posts said before were “k lol” and “Dont get me wrong but this kinda reminds me of some north korean propaganda crap”. Wow hilarious? The propaganda joke would have been funny if this wasn’t actually happening on the server.

Palmer: I didn’t even think of that video, quality pick man. Also spoiler alert, you know who loses in Star Wars, the Empire. (BE will lose in the end)

Nado and JUSA: Killing brits is a lifestyle. Sadly we can’t actually start a war with them because they refuse to accept our war requests.

Volpex: Nighty night?

Palmer again: Little confused on the actual order of these posts of Gildor’s, but thank you for including this evidence. As people can see they are doing the original plan of repeatedly marching the “BE troops” in to attack the crew. But they clearly don’t try simply negotiating a deal first to assist. Also they would force their “laws” on whatever crew they are offering assistance to. Lots of information in those posts, so thanks for posting it here.

Maximus: Yeah I figured this would be a better outlet for discussing this than arguing in the global chat in game.

CrazyPirate: As clearly shown in the posts by Gildor that Palmer included, taxes would happen either way along with your little law enforcement. The real funny thing about it is this sentence: “Should a colony refuse to pay taxes without beforehand negotiating the termination of their colony status then the Royal Navy with me tasked with quelling the rebellion.” That sentence is hilarious. So not only will they be forced into being a colony, but any attempt to go back to doing their own thing and not paying you would lead to being attacked repeatedly again. I have nothing more to say on that bit…
Who cares how many of you have donator rank, the ones that do spam near is all I’m saying. We can’t get near Petal_Face(Gildor) without him instantly teleporting into his house the moment we get within 120 blocks of him. Also you don’t have to be a donator to log. As monks would say “Thats common sense, duh.”
No we don’t have a vendetta against the inanimate object that is your city. We have a disliking for the crew that lives in it. Also Cysteen didn’t run Ae0’s island, take a look at the claim. All TAS did was protect it from those who came to kill shoppers. I’m sure if someone got mad at Ae0 (for some odd reason even though he is very nice) they would want to see his island burned too.
BE isn’t a dictatorship within, it is attempting to be a dictatorship over the server. For one example Peppykiss’s crew. As shown above, Jusa has more examples if you’d like him to post them later.
Yeah the main buildings of London are unoriginal and taken from other sources. Other players have found buildings used in London on images and videos online. What a shame you don’t pay attention to this kind of stuff.
Of course everyone is annoyed with Tau. Moo is an active player that trusted him as a friend. He clearly abused that trust and is now on a lying spree refusing to return Moo’s god sets and event items. Yeah people loot old bases they have trust to because either they don’t care about that person they are raiding, that player has quit the server, or even just because they can. But the problem with Tau, was that he raided a friend and now has decided the items are more important than becoming a trustworthy player again. I’m sure none of you will ever trust him to your personal bases now that you know this could happen. This guy is running for Prime Minister of BE, that speaks wonders for your crew. As for wanting to fight a war… We have tried to declare war about 10 times by now. You’re all too cowardly to accept it.
Who says me or The Coalition is going anywhere? This crew is constantly getting stronger, while BE looks to be on a downhill slope. No, what you don’t like is that we will have front row seats to the collapse of BE, maybe you’ll fix yourself some day. Good luck with that. Outsiders, you are the first person to ever call me or my crew an outsider. Within a year of playing on this server I went from being a deckhand in a crew that went inactive within a weak, to owning two elytras, dubs of godsets, and being close friends with some of the kindest strongest players on the server. Go ahead call me an outsider, cause I don’t feel like one. My issue with BE has been stated, it’s been stated multiple times. So where are the balls on you not accepting our war requests. I don’t need dirt to “use”, I can declare war whenever I want. This thread was to expose the atrocities within BE, honestly it’s worked exactly how I wanted. Taulov isn’t a scapegoat, he’s a side issue that furthers the proof that BE is corrupt. We’re not being forced into anything, accept our war requests Mr. “have the balls”.

Monks again: Yeah Monks, there is a difference in spamming near to track a player and spamming near to know when to run from someone coming to fight. We track, BE runs. Go ahead and prove something.

Nado: Yes we can war, but sadly they won’t let us. We already had our reasons, this thread is to let the server see the flaws of BE and to warn them of their colonization plan.

Monks and Nado: Just waiting on the bug reports to get sorted out by the developers.

Astro: #StarFruit

Bazurka: For those who don’t know tl;dr means ‘Too long; didn’t read’. Honestly Baz, it’s not that much to read. Take the time to read if you are going to write a post. I hope this response won’t be too long for you to read…
I don’t care about being worked into the records of PirateMC history. Most pirate crews don’t have giant history books about them, they simply just existed and did their own thing. Yeah BE is taking a hit and is showing it in their responses like this one. Ketoh read over the post before actually starting this thread. He fully agreed with it. All the people I’m friends with that used to be in BE have stated that it is not the same as it once was. That things have clearly changed within the crew. The fact is, you just refuse to accept that it’s getting worse. BE isnt always helping new crews and new players. You all sit and build by yourself. The only person that helps new players is Lazydog. As of late, rest of you do nothing but talk about expanding London and overpowering small crews. I’d encourage Taulov to actually state his side of the story. Why he did what he did? Why he is lying about not having dubs of god sets? From what Moo said, he did it cause he was “Mad that Moo joined Jmoo’s crew and later my crew”, so I’d love to hear him expand on that. He returned a small fraction of stuff and claimed the rest blew up. No one loot a few chests then blows the rest of the loot up. That’s absurd.
Your next comment here is fun.
Warmongering: encouragement or advocacy of aggression toward other countries or groups.
I’m sorry have I not made myself clear. This thread was to expose BE for it’s atrocities and warn people not to give in to your petty colonization scheme. Yeah I am totally asking everyone to go to war with you. This show’s you clearly didn’t read like your said. I am encouraging everyone to not submit to BE’s crap and to see what BE has become within it’s leadership.
Yeah we have a anti-BE stance. Everyone has a stance against their main rival. Who cares what we chant in chat. It warns people what’s coming for them as part of BE. We don’t need anything clever. It’s war, accept it.
This next paragraph seemed to just be an prideful encouragement to your crew to make you sound more respectable, so, um, ok I guess? Not sure what sleeper agent you are talking about. I just have people who just share about things within BE. You have fun with your rebuttals and votes, my crew just simply talks to each other about our opinions then decides an action to take. Not sure if you know this but pirates worked on a voting system too so you’re not all that special. Votes on crews happened very fast and you could go from working in the kitchen to being the quartermaster after just a quick vote.  Enjoy your dawdling and meandering.
Not sure what you’re trying to build and improve, you mainly build in London (for your crew) in lazy’s town (for your crew) and build personal bases (for your crew). Don’t even bring up the canal as a “for the server” example. That’s no longer being discussed. As for us, yeah we mostly build for ourselves. We own bases, we raid players, and we commit piracy. Welcome to PirateCraft. But a large number of us are on build team, we don’t brag about it though. We just build what is needed and asked of us.
Yeah we try to kill you all the time recently, we’re rivals. The war isn’t a threat, it’s already happening. One little fight after another, we will cut you down. Go ahead and run, there are other ways to defend yourself than PVP. Just don’t call us bad when you all run away.
Lol nice plug here at the end for your wiki page. None of that matters in this situation, BE isn’t what it used to be.

Oktacraft: You’re response is as meaningless as Kirns first post, you guys should totally take a writing class together.

Sean: Ok? Thanks for letting us know I guess.

JUSA: They will.

Monks: Everyone already has BE banners? Also plenty of BE members were on when this was taken. None came to London though with us being there obviously.

Snap: Well worded. Snap is one of the people I respected in BE, and the fact that he has had to leave the crew should tell you all how the BE “government” is quickly going downhill.

Benthebruce: So the main part of your post is about the issue between Taulov and Moo. Which I have already spoken my mind on a good bit. However BE is not what it used to be, so whatever principles you may have had, may not exist anymore. That wasn’t that main point of this thread but I’m glad it has come up so that the man running for Prime Minister can be held responsible for his actions. Criticizing Snap in that second to last paragraph there probably wasn’t the best idea to mend relations with him, but that’s between you two. Thanks for sharing all that you’ve gathered on the Kau vs. Moo dilemma. I personally won’t be happy with that issue until Moo has the rest of his items returned.
That aside, that incident wasn’t to sew server wide drama. It was to point out to your own crew how Taulov will just lead you down a deeper ditch as PM. Also to back up how awful BE is becoming. The point of this thread once again, is to prevent colonization.

Palmer again: Cool video mate.

Anyways, there’s my final post. Feel free to speak anymore thoughts you have. I may have to make another response if someone brings up something new, but for now I think I’ve stated my mind on all this. This thread wasn’t to incite drama as much as it was to expose an issue(s) within the British Empire.

@snapplays thank you for your response.  I appreciate that we are addressing our differences without resorting to useless name calling.  While I would have preferred to address the matter that is underlying your ultimate decision to leave BE internally, there are a number of reasons this did not happen.  The issue between Moo and Taulov, both of whom i consider good friends, is beyond my ability to understand.  I have asked both of them why the thing happened and neither of them really had a good answer.  Taulov got upset that Moo joined a rival crew and that may have been a large part of the issue.  Whatever the cause, Taulov did what he did and acted on his own.  His actions were not those of the BE or the BE government.  When Moo asked me, who also had trust at that base at the time, I assured him that neither I nor Taulov had anything to do with it.  I said that because I was not involved and because TNTing a base is inconsistent with BE standards and the player I had come to know Taulov to be.  However, Taulov did accept responsibility to Moo when asked directly and immediately started to try to resolve the problem between these 2 players personally.  So long as Moo and Taulov worked out their differences there was no real need to escalate the matter to their respective crews.  From the brief understanding I had of what happened I do not believe any BE laws were broken since Moo was a member of a rival crew.  I believe that at the point Taulov tried to make in his post indicating that the matter was “closed” was to tell us that he and Moo had worked things out.  As Minister of Defense and Justice I think you could have conducted your own investigation to determine the facts and suggest to the membership appropriate remedies.  In any case, I am not aware that Moo or anyone from CLTN made a report to the BE leadership or Taulov’s actions.  I know the TNT side of things was escalated to Gods, who was thankfully able to restore Moo’s base.  I have been able to piece all this together because I have had open conversations with both Moo and Taulov.

Let me be clear to everyone: BE does not utilize or condone blackmail, bullying, harassment, or grief.  That is a crew position.  Now each crew is a collection of individual players and from time to time we may have players or circumstances that are not in keeping with those standards.  We prefer that offending players work things out on their own but will get involved if necessary.  That is where we are now: Taulov tried to work things out with Moo on his own.  Moo is apparently still dissatisfied.  I am working with Moo and @riverwood202 to resolve the issue.

As Ketoh said, many of the CLTN members are former BE and know that what I have said about BE principles to be true.  I believe that you have conflated the actions of one player with those of the crew.  Your post said “I could not stay in a crew whose leadership, after blowing up a former member’s base, decided to cover it up…”  That action was not taken by our leadership which you as a member of that leadership know.

Now on to what I believe could be your true frustration: the timeing of everything.  In the initial aftermath of the raid no one knew what happened.  Moo changed his handle and tried /msg me on the server over the course of a couple of days asking if I blew up his base.  I had no idea who this Kauhy was and I had certainly not blown up any bases.  So I made short brush off denials to Moo not knowing it was him.  Once I figured out who this guy was I was immediatly concerned and tried to help Moo figure out what happened.  It was during this time that Taulov accepted responsibility to Moo and began trying to work things out.  As I said earlier, we as a crew prefer to have players work out disputes between themselves.  I think this is more likely to result in something both can live with rather than a leadership mandated solution.  And to let that happen we need to give it some time.  There was a delay between the raid and identification of the responsible party and another delay as the parties tried to resolve things.  It sucks that it takes time to work these things out but I don’t see any other way short of launching an internal investagation from the start.

Snap, you were a great crewmate and a very supportive leader.  I take issue whith your post because you said “the BE raided and blew up a former member” again conflating the actions of a single member with that of the entire crew.  You then proceed to tell us that you are going to be disloyal and then share widely your perception of the way the crew works and internal forum communications.  You close with the hashtag campaign that CLTN has been using to drum up war with BE litteraly promoting violence against the crew you claim to be so loyal to.

I hope this post has shed some light for those that care on the backstory to this unfortunate personal rivalry between Taulov and Moo.  I applaud CLTN for masterfully exploiting this incident to sew server wide drama.  Chaos is good for pirates right?

Eh, good call Network that’s fine by me, anyway I wanted to make a meme whilst the chance was at hand.

BE: and the Coalition led Rebellion has been foiled.
BE: The remaining CLTN will be hunted down and defeated.
BE: The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but I assure you my resolve has never been stronger.
BE: In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Empire will be reorganized into the first PirateCraft Empire, for a safe and secure play,
–Bystander: So this is how liberty dies, with a vote.

Eh, someone make the meme, or edit it how you like, then make it.

@xMadMonkeyx  resident memecreationman because I don’t have the skills or time.

For those who don’t know, Kauhy (a super kind a peaceful guy) who trusted a lot of his friends to his base had all of his items stolen, then his base blown up.

That’s actually really sad, I’ve had that done before, makes me want to come back and be his friend, he seems to have my sort of morals.

Notice: This post is as a player, not a moderator.

Hey since everyone is choosing to criticize Keto for this post, let me shed some light here as him posting it was to test something. I wrote the post on behalf of the crew and Keto posted it so all of you didn’t start screaming moderator abuse (or some other crap) in this thread, but you know what I don’t care cause it looks like all of BE members are making weak comments anyways. So I’m going to respond to everyone.

Kirn: Really k, k is the best you could come up with. One of the most uneducated responses when you have been called out and feel like a decent response isn’t worth your time. Dude get out. You sit in a box in the sky or in a little castle with some ships and occasionally PVP, then you make big talk when people talk bad about BE. Dude no one cares, you’re just in that crew to look important.

Crazy: Helping a noob town? Sure maybe you made friends with someone and said that if they pay you taxes you’ll continue. But we know how BE works and we’ve seen the way you treat other crews. Just wait, if we see you people belittle a crew into being a colony of BE. You will be met with pain from our crew. You guys are nothing but near spammers and loggers. It’s a fun challenge to catch you guys when you don’t see us coming.

JUSA: Yeah I know right, I had to put all those in quotes just so I didn’t throw up.

Monks: I won’t insult you, you guys can actually fight. We aren’t weak and but you aren’t either. I’m glad to see you’re not actually in BE anymore and I hope you’ll cut ties with them entirely, as all you were to them was an insurance policy that they could hold up in a fight.

Agent: TheAgentGamer, the only oppression that we force on another crew is BE. Because we are indeed at war with them, and we want to see nothing more than to see London burn and BE disbanded. The only BE members we like are Lazy as she is actually a nice player who only is there to help people, and Jolem who is my friend and sticks to himself. Most of the BE leadership are power hungry mongrels. We will try not to attack your crew as much, but we only kill randoms because that’s what the pirate raids are all about. We get kills and win sieges to raise our KDRs and gather supplies. We don’t want to be seen as angels, we want to be seen as a real pirate crew. It’s not about morals, its about them being a dictatorship that bullys other crews to their will. When we kill a newbie, we have a reason (horrible attitudes, trash-talking). When BE kills newbies, it’s to force them into submission. As for proof, we have proof of the Taulov stuff and unnamed sources for the colonization + taxes information. But as seen in this thread, they have confirmed they are starting their colonization plan (proof of that enough).

M4RT3S: No it’s not a joke, we wish to see BE burn and show what they are truly becoming. We are a group of raiders, a group of pirates, what we aren’t is a oppressive government of egocentric players with a big town of tutorial builds. Yeah, we are offering help against those who may be threatened to pay freaking taxes to another crew. That doesn’t need to be a thing and if you haven’t noticed it didn’t last for the actual Great Britain in the American Revolution. Taxation is not supported by Pirates. I respect Apple more than BE, but if you are going to start defending them, know your facts and actually write a post rather than just trying to trash talk our crew and TAS.

Snap: I have a lot of respect for you. If you would have stayed in the election and won, I know you would have made the crew a respectable place again. As I said in agent’s post I will try to work on that within my own crew, but we mainly attack nooby crews for poor attitudes in chat or trash-talking. #BlameTaulov is in reference to Kau’s base. For those who don’t know, Kauhy (a super kind a peaceful guy) who trusted a lot of his friends to his base had all of his items stolen, then his base blown up. Now after speaking to each friend, he figured out who did it. Taulov and BE raided and detonated his entire base because Kauhy was joining Jmoo’s crew and the CLTN for fun. Apparently before even talking to Kau, Taulov took it into his own hands to steal everything his former friend had worked for. Now after talking Taulov realized what he did was a little wrong and returned a bit if Kau’s items. But proceeded to lie and say that the rest of the items blew up. Which we all know is not true at all. Kau got the main portion of the griefed base itself backdated so that he didn’t just have a hole in the middle of his claim, but none of his godsets or op items. So the campaign started. Taulov has pushed us to deeper measures against his crew, which includes some fun treats. Anyway’s back to your post Snap. You totally called that they’d call you disloyal (BenTheBruce), and that’s just because you have backed up the cowardly attacks that they do on kind people. I thank you for your support on that. As for Taulov closing your post on their forums, that’s hilarious, he’s honestly just trying to look big. What’s really funny about Taulov is how much of a copycat he is too, his base south of Lazy’s town is a a copy of the Hydra base, complete with pipe exits and the triangular structure right next to it. Taulov has done nothing more than make himself look bad to the server and shine an even worse light on BE.

Benthebruce (2 posts, ooo big lad): I think I’ve already addressed those first three sentences of your post. But yeah, we have been trying to start the official war and you guys are too scared to accept it, which is really funny. As for Agent’s post I already talked about all that too. So feel free to read. You probably couldn’t have said anything better yourself because you do nothing more than hide in your little box of a base all day. So go ahead write a post with your own thoughts if you have any. Don’t even talk down to Snap, he’s more of a respectful BE member than you will ever be. Did you really just accuse him of “abusing your trust in him” I hope he has more to expose honestly. Cause it sounds like you’re trying to hide some stuff now. I encourage him to share whatever he can about your little colonization plan. The entire capaign of #BlameTaulov is indeed to insite war. But the campaign started because of the actions of BE. Acknowledge that.

Kirn again: YES, another useless comment. Amazing, such strong words you have.

(Thanks River for your post, you’re awesome)

Agent again: Yeah info regarding Taulov above.

(Keto this is why you’re one of my best friends)

Benthebruce again: Hilarious, looks like you’re being lied to also. Minister had dubs of god armor, and got back a few sets. No not everything was returned, looks like you’re being lied to by your own member also. So that’s pretty funny. Have fun talking to Taulov because he kept christmas advent items, god sets, and plenty of other resources.

Flea: Yeah you’re good at PVP. BE isn’t strong just because you are in their group, but I’m glad you enjoy being used as their protector.

Palmerageddon: This is a discussion and I think it should stay open cause I want them to either end or go back to the old kind BE.

So that’s my post, hope it’s actually read by BE rather than just being glanced over and responded to with more weak responses like Kirn’s. Long Live The Coalition.

@benthebruce , the point of #BlameTaulov is because of the unjust (as Snap said) raid on Minister_Moo (aka Kauhy) by Taulov. Moo’s base was entirely blown up at first, and had to be regened. Once Moo’s stuff is returned we will stop with the #BlameTaulov. Yes, this is kind of blackmail, but as you know, actions have consequences. The consequence for raiding Moo is not just directed towards Taulov, but the whole crew. If he wants to keep his crew from suffering and falling under attack by CLTN members and allies, he has to return Moo’s rightful stuff. This was a disgusting move from Taulov, a British Official. He lost a lot of respect by blowing up Moo’s base and not returning the stuff, and BE will continue to suffer because of his actions. Also, do you really want your PM doing this, blowing up people’s bases, saying the problem was “dealt with” and not returning the stuff? If this is what BE wants as their image, then damn BE has changed a lot, and in a bad way.

#BlameTaulov

P.S. LMAO Kirn

@celtic

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